Re: respect privacy please !
2004-05-21 09:42:34
--On Friday, 21 May, 2004 15:55 +0100 Tim Chown
<tjc(_at_)ecs(_dot_)soton(_dot_)ac(_dot_)uk> wrote:
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 12:05:00AM +1000, grenville armitage
wrote:
This could be solved by the IETF insisting that consent is
required before attendance. I, like John, do not believe it
is acceptable for the IETF meetings to be populated by
anonymous attendees.
The issue is someone knowing where I am for a week, in advance.
Harald's suggestion of releasing the list post-event is an
improvement...
Hmm. Being paranoid about folks who arrive or depart in black
helicopters (despite being accused in the past of being one of
that group), post-meeting feels too late to me. But, other
than whatever additional burdens it adds for the Secretariat, I
can see almost no objection to keeping the list confidential
until Sunday afternoon or early Monday of the meeting week.
However, before we say "that is a wonderful idea" (or not),
let's remember the substance of several of the "IETF
administration" notes and documents that have been circulated in
the last several months. If I understand those materials and
discussions correctly, the Secretariat is stretched pretty thin,
there are no spare dollars floating around, few if any of us are
anxious to see increased meeting fees, and I gather that almost
every request for something new involves a decision about what
doesn't get done instead. Even when there has been a perception
of lots of resources, the Secretariat has, for as long as I can
remember, been flat-out during the few days before and after an
IETF meeting starts. So "post Sunday afternoon" is possibly
unworkable in practice unless it can be turned over to some
automated process... and I don't know if the database structure
lends itself to that without considerable work.
Moreover, I've several times noticed a significant advantage of
having _my_ name and payment status listed -- it provides an
easy way for me to check on whether I've registered and paid or
whether I let it fall through the cracks. So, for purely
pragmatic reasons, I'd hate to see the advanced registration
list taken down unless there is an easy and automated way for me
to inquire as to whether or not I'm correctly registered. Or the
_advanced_ registration list could be made opt-out until Sunday,
and then posted with all names listed. But either probably
implies more Secretariat work, even if we don't care much about
the security (authenticity) of the query in the former case.
So, how important is this, really? For most of the regular
attendees, someone wanting to know that you will be away for a
week and when needs only to determine when an IETF meeting is
being held. That isn't 100% reliable, of course, but, because
you can register (and even pay) and then not come (and I gather
a significant number of people do so every time), neither is the
current list.
Speaking for myself only, of course.
best,
john
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