Ohta-san,
We have been through this before. There is no issue of
"forcing" - this is being proposed because some people think
they would find it useful. Everyone else will presumably
ignore it. If it turns out that there are, in practice, none of
the former, then the document will presumably go the way of many
other ideas that didn't get any traction.
Vendors who are going to do these things will -- based on the
fact that they are being done already -- do them, with or
without this document. And that includes providers who are
doing very little that we would recognize as "internet service"
characterizing themselves as "ISPs". If this document can
accomplish anything, it is, as several people have pointed out,
provide a definitional basis for claiming that a vendor is lying
about what is being provided. Put differently, the theory
behind it is to give operators/providers an opportunity to
disclose what they are doing in a more or less clear way. If
they choose to exaggerate what they are offering, or to lie
about their services, that is a problem that this document
cannot solve and is not intended to try.
regards,
john
--On Wednesday, 07 July, 2004 06:15 +0900 Masataka Ohta
<mohta(_at_)necom830(_dot_)hpcl(_dot_)titech(_dot_)ac(_dot_)jp> wrote:
John C Klensin;
You made, at least, two mistakes, minor and major ones.
A minor mistake is that you think you can let people outside
of IETF use your terminology, if you give loose enough
terminlogy.
As you introduce "Web connectivity", such people (including
mobile operators in Japan) claim that they are ISPs, because
they are offering web connectivity over X.25 without IP. That
is, "The definitions proposed here are clearly of little value
if service providers and vendors are not willing to adopt
them." is applicable to your draft.
A major mistake is that you are forcing people within IETF
use your terminology even though you are fully aware that
"some members of the IETF community that some of these
connectively models are simply "broken" or "not really an
Internet service"".
Masataka Ohta
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