Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring
2004-08-27 11:33:55
John,
We are in agreement that key strategic decisions have to be made
with the informed consent of the community. Harald and I have
made the commitment to put as much on the table as is possible
to have a rational open discussion that should come before that consent
phase. That's the commitment that brought this document out,
and it will continue to surface material input if, as, and when
it comes to light.
With respect to this specific point:
> I note in particular that your first "next step" reads "Have a public
> discussion on the IETF list on the options presented in the draft". I
> think that is exactly correct iff the community is reasonably assured
> that _all_ of the plausible options have been identified, and fairly
> described, in the draft. I hope and trust that is the case, but any
To the best of my knowledge, the set of known scenario classes
are described in the document. And I do expect that the public
discussion will help to refine the scenarios that are presented, and
determine whether there are other classes of scenarios that need to
be considered.
Although the scenarios are labelled "A" through "D", this is not meant
to be a "multiple choice exam question" :-)
Leslie.
John C Klensin wrote:
Leslie and Harald,
I would like to make one suggestion about this process. For suggestions
about substance, I will, of course, wait for the final -00 version of
the draft. This note is deliberately being sent before I have done so
because I don't want my remarks to be biased by how I feel about its
specific content.
There was considerable confusion in San Diego, and earlier, induced by
large numbers of sub-discussions, with different, sometimes designated,
groups of people holding discussions and not having access to each
other's comments. Harald responded to comments about this during the
plenary by indicating that, once the draft was posted, everything would
be public.
So I would like to suggest that any discussions within or among the IAB
and IESG, or subsets of them, or between them and other groups, take
place on mailing lists whose archives are public and/or which can be
subscribed to (even if only on a read-only basis) by interested members
of the community.
The key strategic decisions here (as distinct from the fine details)
have to be made with the informed consent of the IETF community. To
me, that implies that all of the options and their pros and cons have to
be on the table: after the fact, there should not be even a suspicion
that the choice was influenced by discussions of only a reduced set of
options.
I note in particular that your first "next step" reads "Have a public
discussion on the IETF list on the options presented in the draft". I
think that is exactly correct iff the community is reasonably assured
that _all_ of the plausible options have been identified, and fairly
described, in the draft. I hope and trust that is the case, but any
suspicions, engendered by private discussion, that some options have
been excluded from discussion by excluding them from the draft, would be
extremely harmful and should be avoided.
As you said, we need to take the time to get this right. We also need
to be sure that the community emerges from the process confident that
all of the options have been fairly considered in the process of
selecting the right one.
thanks,
john
--On Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:16 AM -0400 Leslie Daigle
<leslie(_at_)thinkingcat(_dot_)com> wrote:
[This is a re-send of a message I sent last night; that
message is
...
Hello, IETF community.
Attached is the document we promised you in San Diego - a
report from
our consultant, Carl Malamud, which lays out a series of
options and
recommendations for moving forward with the IETF administrative
restructuring process, according to the recommendations laid
out in RFC3716 (the Advisory Committee report). It has been
submitted to the Internet Drafts repository and should be >...
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