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RE: New Last Call: 'Tags for Identifying Languages' to BCP

2004-12-14 07:23:54
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Peter Constable wrote:
That is not at all the aim here wrt stability; rather, the aim is that a
symbolic identifier used for metadata in IT systems not change because
some government on a whim says, "We would now prefer to use 'yz' rather
than 'xy' to designate our country."

This point needs to be stressed.

If this registry does not do it, we'll need to create a new one which does.

If anything, I am inclined to object to two: to avoid an Anglo-Franco
colonial bias,

Bravo!

If there were to be just two languages, it would need to be Mandarin Chinese as primary entry, and English as secondary entry.

either there is one name that is simply a reference name,
or the registry be designed so that it could accommodate names in as
many languages as may be available.

In order to accomodate the Francophiles, we would need first to accomodate several other languages of greater international prominence than French; and by that point the registry would be so unwieldy as to be useless.

Even worse is the matter of coordinating all these various descriptions and what happens when (not if) an ambiguity is created because the Lower Slobbovian version means something different than the English version?

Among other things, that means that a developer in Lower Slobbovia can't use an abridged version of the registry that only has the Lower Slobbovian descriptions, because if he is unaware of the other texts he may make an unwarranted assumption as to the meaning of that description.n

What is done when (not if) international politics rears its ugly head? We have numerous instances where the name of a language is official in one place, and highly-offensive in another place.

What's more, all of that effort is for naught, since the only thing that matters is the tag, a machine-readable token intended to identify a language, and not the description.

RFC 3066 *does not at any point* suggest let alone state that
implementations should use ISO 639 language names or ISO 3166 country
names for UI purposes. IMO, you are creating an issue where none exists.

Bravo!

Another point which bears emphasis; these are machine-readable tags for the purpose of software, not user interface elements.

IETF language tags are used in a wide variety of applications. The
parties involved in development of this spec (the authors and others)
have examined these issues for the past several years and have arrived
at this architecture.

And have done a fine job at it.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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