harald(_at_)alvestrand(_dot_)no (Harald Tveit Alvestrand) wrote on 28.01.05 in
<D747A269618D37F2CE22CDA8(_at_)gloppen(_dot_)hjemme(_dot_)alvestrand(_dot_)no>:
--On fredag, januar 28, 2005 08:19:03 -0500 Scott Bradner
<sob(_at_)harvard(_dot_)edu>
wrote:
Harald suggests
The Chair serves at the pleasure of the IAOC, and may be removed from
that position at any time by a vote of five of the IAOC voting members.
I don't think its a good idea to use absolute numbers - its better
to use fractions '4/5ths of the voting members' for example - in case
you have a situation where some IAOC members have dropped off for some
reason - using absolute numbers can get into a situation where the
action can not be taken even though all existing members of the
IAOC want to do so
But that slides us straight back into the situation where we must make
rules for whether or not people who are on holiday are counted or not, what
constitutes a quorum, and so on. How do you say that 2/3 of a meeting that
had only 4 of the IAOC members present is not acceptable?
The phrase "all existing members" sort of suggests that we're talking
about formal membership here, so people on holiday would definitely count
- as in, "you can't remove the chair just because most of his supporters
are on vacation". And given that, there's also no question of quorum I can
see - the question isn't "2/3 of a meeting" but "2/3 of the members" -
including absent members.
That is, you need enough votes to make it even if everyone who could vote
was actually there. That way, it doesn't matter how many people actually
did show up.
It was the fraction "2/3" that Russ objected to in the first place,
pointing out that this means 6 out of 8 if everyone's present - which he
thought was too much of a required majority.
Which just points to a lower fraction, not to absolute numbers.
In the case where the IAOC is short 3 members (required for the situation
you describe), I think we can live with a chair not being removed until the
selecting bodies have named replacements for members who are no longer
willing or able to serve (if that is the situation you are worried about).
That surely depends on the reason for removing that chair.
MfG Kai
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