Date: 2005-06-15 10:20
From: wayne <wayne(_at_)schlitt(_dot_)net>
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"Lucy E. Lynch" <llynch(_at_)darkwing(_dot_)uoregon(_dot_)edu> writes:
Many of the issues related to WG progress can be managed using the
excellent web tools provided at tools.ietf.org - see for example:
http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ccamp/
This link should be put on the font page of the IETF website.
Google shows no links to these tools from the IETF website, and only
one link on the entire Internet:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=link%3Atools.ietf.org%2F&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=Tools+IETF&num=100&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&c2coff=1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=ietf.org&safe=images
returns 118,000 hits.
Your query is not looking at "the IETF website", it is looking at only
a specific other site.
There is a link of the IETF home page to http://edu.ietf.org/
(Educational Materials), and that page has a link to
http://edu.ietf.org/tools (Tools for IETF). Though that's rather
limited in scope and not the first place one is likely to look.
It is also worth noting that the cleverly concealed link at the upper
left corner of the IETF home page takes one to a search engine, but
that a search there for "tools" yields nothing.
Note that "tools.ietf.org" is:
tools.ietf.org nameserver = shiraz.levkowetz.com.
tools.ietf.org nameserver = eikenes.alvestrand.no.
tools.ietf.org nameserver = dns1.shlang.com.
tools.ietf.org
origin = shiraz.levkowetz.com
mail addr = hostmaster.tools.ietf.org
serial = 2005053001
refresh = 7200
retry = 3600
expire = 1209600
minimum = 14400
Name: tools.ietf.org
Address: 81.224.201.50
tools.ietf.org mail exchanger = 10 tools.ietf.org.
Authoritative answers can be found from:
tools.ietf.org nameserver = shiraz.levkowetz.com.
tools.ietf.org nameserver = eikenes.alvestrand.no.
tools.ietf.org nameserver = dns1.shlang.com.
eikenes.alvestrand.no internet address = 158.38.152.233
Getting people to use the tools is a seperate issue. Just another mash
note from a tools.ietf.org fan...
It is hard to get people to use tools when they don't know they exist
and are very hard to find.
The specific tools pointed to by Lucy are for WG use, and
I suspect that these are covered in WG Chair training.
As for other tools, the ID-Checklist specifically mentions
several tools of use to draft authors, and several places point
to the ID-Checklist.
I agree that the IETF web site could certainly use some improvement,
however there are plenty of ways to find tools (indeed the ID-Checklist
virtually requires use of some tools, e.g. ABNF validators).
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