You'll need to work very hard to get the WG action items
completed by April 1, 2006.
--> -----Original Message-----
--> From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
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--> On Behalf Of Peter Dambier
--> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 5:32 AM
--> To: JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
--> Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org; Hadmut Danisch
--> Subject: Pro SPAM WG: How security could benefit from high
--> volume spam
-->
--> A WG?
-->
--> Karin and me are interested.
-->
--> JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:
--> > At 23:10 14/12/2005, Hadmut Danisch wrote:
--> >
--> >> On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 04:46:42PM +0100, Frank Ellermann wrote:
--> >> >
--> >> > The best way to hide a signal is noise, is that's your idea ?
--> >> > Makes sense from my POV.
--> >>
--> >>
--> >> Not necessarily the _best_ way, but one that works under many
--> >> circumstances.
--> >> Some questions are:
--> >> How do we deal with the total surveillance?
--> >> Do anti-spam measures make surveillance easier?
-->
--> No, I dont want to bash the one and only root again, but never did I
--> receive any SPAM an my peter(_at_)mail(_dot_)5wc address.
-->
--> This too could improve our position. Which root does the
--> guy use - or
--> has he simply freaked his /etc/hosts?
-->
--> Hadmut, I agree with your idea and I switched my spam
--> filter off from all
--> my GMX mail accounts. They are worthless anyhow, because I
--> permanently
--> have to read the spam folder to find lost emails. I still
--> have to fight
--> sorbs, because they dont even accept my own emails from my host
--> echnaton.serveftp.com wich has a dynamic ip.
-->
--> >
--> >
--> > Hadmut,
--> > not much success with your suggestion! Too much European
--> centric at the
--> > moment. Your proposition is of real interest as part of a
--> picture to
--> > study the noise as a general protection (conflicting
--> information, spam,
--> > revamping web sites 1000 times a day, meta-spam, tags,
--> EUCD, civilrights
--> > protection, bandwidth cost, site legal registration,
--> multiligualism,
--> > debate orientation, etc.). The French law related debate
--> make it very
--> > interesting, and important, however too complex for
--> current users at
--> > this time. This fits the interests I have in the
--> emergence of an "over
--> > the ISO layers" Internet through a grassroots process.
--> How to use the
--> > Internet? But the IAB discuss list leads to nothing.
-->
--> The French law made me move the sources from IASON
-->
--> http://iason.site.voila.fr/
--> http://www.kokoom.com/iason/
-->
--> to sourceforge. I dont want to fight the music industry
--> with a law I dont
--> even understand. IASON has nothing to do with music but it
--> has to do with
--> copyright.
-->
--> >
--> > Why not to try to shape a WG Charter on this? I do not
--> believe the IESG
--> > is able to follow. But when I see all the ICANN, IETF,
--> Unicode, etc.
--> > meetings, publications, etc. etc. about
--> "internationalization", partly
--> > to oppose my long enough opposition which permitted me to
--> reach Tunis.
--> > One could expect that Brussels could be interested at the
--> end of the
--> > day. And if the IESG does not follow, we will have made
--> our duty, before
--> > going elsewhere? I do not think that the balkanization
--> they impose on us
--> > is a good thing.
--> >
--> > jfc
--> >
-->
--> Karin and me helped building two balkan DNS roots. Why not
--> do something
--> serious now :)
-->
--> Cheers
--> Peter and Karin
-->
-->
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