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RE: comments on <draft-mankin-pub-req-08.txt>

2006-05-12 11:01:20
Craig Partride wrote:


    I don't think the IAB and IRSG are part of the IETF 
family.  If they
    are part of a family, it would be ISOC.  So I'd just say 
"This draft
    only addresses IETF documents processed by the IESG."

The intention was that these requirements would apply when processing documents 
that come from the IETF (via the IESG), the IRSG, or the IAB.  We can perhaps 
find a different name for the group of entities, but the idea was to have 
consistent publication requirements between the organizations.  IESG processed 
documents is too restrictive.

Another problem spot was 4.1, post-approval timeframes.  I have two
concerns:

    * One month turnaround is a swift requirement in any 
publishing system.
      I suspect it is unreasonable.

Before starting the requirements I checked with several other standards 
organizations on what their publication policies are.  An under one month 
average is quite achievable.  Many of the other organizations have tighter 
deadlines and much burstier load.  It is realized that there is a tradeoff 
between speed and cost.  The contractual targets have to be contractually 
decided.  This is intended to represent what the IETF community feels is 
desirable.

    * The metric has no discussion of document length.  There's a big
      difference between a 20 page document and a 100 page 
document and
      it affects turnaround times.
The one-month average is a statistical measure.  It is realized some documents 
will take longer.  It is expected that some documents would be processed faster.

    * There's no discussion of arrival process -- my bet is 
that things
      come in pulses.  Again, that's a workload issue we need to be
      aware of.  If work comes in pulses, that tends to increase
      turnaround times.
Again, the figure is statistical.  Compared to a lot of other standards 
organizations, the IETF volume is not so bursty (such as after a plenary where 
lots of documents are approved).


    * There's no discussion of the interaction between the 
requirement to
      validate format languages (in 3.5) and post-approval 
turnarounds.
      Yet if the Editor is validating ASN.1 or the like, that 
will delay a
      document.  (And such validation can't occur in the 
earlier phases
      as the ASN.1 may change).
Formal language validation can take time.  It is not really possible to list 
all the special cases that could take time.  The goal is that even including 
these cases the average is under one month.


Note that I'm all in favor of a tracking queue and measuring 
how fast things
pop out.  But a one-size fits all view doesn't work.  If an 
RFC arrives with
all the lights on (100+ pages of ASN.1 in a batch of 10 RFCs from the
latest IETF), don't expect swift turnaround.

I also had trouble with 4.2.  The statement is the queue length should
show no growth trend.  In government this is known as an 
unfunded mandate :-).
Keeping queue lengths short if the rate of document arrival 
increases costs
money (cf. professional society journal queues).  

Very true.  Since we don't talk about money, all these requirements are an 
unfunded mandate.  If the technical publisher becomes overloaded, then 
something has to give. And that may mean more money or reduced processing of 
each document.  A disclaimer can be added that this may require adjusting 
resources if the input load increases over time.  What this requirement 
captures is the desire by the IETF that we can achieve at least steady state.  
Contractual mechanisms to accomplish this are outside the scope of this 
document.

Craig

E-mail: craig(_at_)aland(_dot_)bbn(_dot_)com or craig(_at_)bbn(_dot_)com

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