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Re: [INDEP] Re: [IAOC] Re: RFC Editor RFP Review Request

2006-08-10 05:20:20
Err uh Keith - No...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Moore" <moore(_at_)cs(_dot_)utk(_dot_)edu>
To: "Joe Touch" <touch(_at_)ISI(_dot_)EDU>
Cc: <leslie(_at_)thinkingcat(_dot_)com>; <iad(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>; 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [INDEP] Re: [IAOC] Re: RFC Editor RFP Review Request


What you say might have been true up until say the mid 1980s, but
today, it's hard to defend that statement.  For many years the vast
majority of RFCs have been produced by IETF either from working groups
or individual submissions.

That vast number does not establish the credibility of the series; the
original ones do.

disagree.  the value of the RFC series is that most of the important
technical specifications for the Internet (below the apps layer,
anyway) can be found there.  if the RFC series only contained the
original TCP, UDP, and IP specs, those documents would still be
valuable, but the series would not be nearly as valuable as it is today.

Uh yeah - after the fact that is... By the way - how valuable do you think
the series is? By the way this was about Credibility and you spun that into
Value - nice - but not the issue. As to the Credibility of the RFC's that is
tied to the RFC's process - which sucks at best IMHO. The value is a
different issue totally. Nice try.


Congestion control originated in a Sigcomm paper, not
the IETF. At the end of the day, it is the IETF that is, IMO,
expendable.

at the end of the day, we will all be dust, and everything we have
produced will have been diffused to the point that those remaining
will be unable to reliably tell who did what.

That's becuase of the process - not because of "how things are"... sorry. If
the IETF had its act together this wouldnt be true.

 to the extent our lives
have any value, it's probably not enhanced by our expending energy
trying to pin down such things.

Wow - so now this is about Life Value - where do you draw the line?


Keith

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