Todd
Those are not exactly the facts. The two notes I wrote and posted on the ABA
InfoSec list yesterday (10/12-- a.m pdt) were both replies to "jeff williams"
who was inquiring about the "property" status of domain names. Unless "jeff
williams" is a pseudonym you use, my replies were not to you individually and
I am unaware of any ABAISC list inqury from you yesterday.
I was brought in to the IETF list thread 5 pm PDT when a VRSN colleague
forwarded several notes of YOURS saying "if there is an MoU I want to see it."
I then responded on the IETF list with the cite and text from the 1995 IETF/ISO
(N.B.-ISO, as I originally wrote, NOT IEEE as you have opined). Admittedly
also, again, NOT an MoU but rather, a more significant CoOp agreement with a
Mutual Recgnition provision. BUT I have to ask, why are we still doing this?
By the way, I am an attorney. My title at VeriSign is Corporate Director of
Government Relations. I am not in the VRSN law department, (we are corp.
staff) though I have in the past been Government Relations counsel at Digital
Equipment from 1981-1997 and Legis. Counsel at the FCC 1976-81, am a member of
the DC Bar and a member of the Legal/Regulatory Task Force of the President's
NSTAC. But why do you ask ?
Regards,
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: todd glassey [mailto:tglassey(_at_)earthlink(_dot_)net]
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 08:51 AM Eastern Standard Time
To: Harald Alvestrand; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org; Aisenberg, Michael
Cc: John C Klensin; Contreras,Jorge
Subject: Re: I understand that there is an ISO MOU with the IETF - I
want to see it...
Harald - you are right - the commentary came off the ABA Information
Security Committee based on a question I had asked on IP issues for a matter
not concerning the IETF per se, but when Michael popped up with the
commentary that there was a formal MOU, I was intrigued and I wanted to see
the document.
And yes its Michael Aisenberg who made the statement who you will note is
cc:d on this mailing (Morning Michael :-)
For those of you who are unaware, Michael is Verisign's Sr. Attorney in its
Federal Operations group as I recall - Michael - please correct me if I am
wrong on the title!
Todd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harald Alvestrand" <harald(_at_)alvestrand(_dot_)no>
To: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Cc: "John C Klensin" <john-ietf(_at_)jck(_dot_)com>; "Contreras,Jorge"
<Jorge(_dot_)Contreras(_at_)wilmerhale(_dot_)com>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: I understand that there is an ISO MOU with the IETF - I want to
see it...
todd glassey wrote:
Thats what I thought John but when Verisign's Corporate-Government
Liaison,
who is a very reputable attorney, pops up and says there is one I have
to
ask.
Google searching seems to indicate that this role belongs to Michael
Aisenberg. I suggest that anyone who cares to pursue this rumour go
verify with him what he tried to say.
There are Verisign people on this list who can ask him for clarification.
(Note - there is an ITU-T Recommendation that talks about almost exactly
what is being described. It is documented in RFC 3356, which is shared
text with ITU-T A-Series Supplement 3. This is, however, not an MOU;
it's an ITU description of its internal procedures. It's possible that
ISO and ITU got mixed up somewhere along the line.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "John C Klensin" <john-ietf(_at_)jck(_dot_)com>
To: "todd glassey" <tglassey(_at_)earthlink(_dot_)net>;
<ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Cc: "Contreras, Jorge" <Jorge(_dot_)Contreras(_at_)wilmerhale(_dot_)com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: I understand that there is an ISO MOU with the IETF - I
want to
see it...
--On Thursday, 12 October, 2006 12:27 -0700 todd glassey
<tglassey(_at_)earthlink(_dot_)net> wrote:
I understand that there is a formal MOU between the ISO and
the IETF that talks about ISO's actions with regard to the
reliance on IETF Standards and RFC's.
I want to physically see a copy of the document - in its
entirety.
To the best of my knowledge from either an IETF perspective or
as a member of one or two of the mailing lists on which "ISO"
would have needed to see comment, there is no such document or
agreement. For such a thing to exist, there would almost
certainly have to be a formal liaison agreement between IETF and
either ISO or ISO/IEC JTC1 and that agreement doesn't exist
either (although several of us have, over the years, attempted
to make it happen).
Where do you get these ideas?
And please see my earlier comments about your "rights" in these
issues generally and to make this type of demand, even if the
agreement and documents did exist.
It wasnt a demand John. Just a statement.
john
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