There are probably a few more reasons the formation of a Study Group
should be denied - for example a clear lack of consistency with the IETF
mission, or the fact that the same problem was already solved in the
IETF or in some other place. Those should be however clearly stated, to
make the criteria for the initial decision more predictable.
Dan
________________________________
From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba(_at_)hotmail(_dot_)com]
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:12 PM
To: Jari Arkko
Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: RE: Reforming the BOF Process (was Declining the ifare
bof forChicago)
One of the goals of separating the Study Group formation process
from the WG formation process is to make the goals and feedback process
more explicit.
If the IESG denies formation of a Study Group based on lack of
interest, that is an unambiguous signal: go away. If a Study Group is
formed, then a limited and explicit set of goals are agreed upon.
Formation of a Study Group would require appointment of a Study
Group Chair, a very limited set of milestones (a WG Charter, perhaps a
Problem Statement), a timeframe (Study Group milestones should probably
not be repeatedly extended), and a well defined set of WG formation
criteria (agreement on the Charter, wider review of the Problem
Statement, etc.). Review of Study Group documents would utilize the
same process that we use to track progress on other IETF documents, so
that the feedback would be explicit and the next steps in the process
would be clear.
> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:53:31 +0300
> From: jari(_dot_)arkko(_at_)piuha(_dot_)net
> To: bernard_aboba(_at_)hotmail(_dot_)com
> CC: dromasca(_at_)avaya(_dot_)com; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
> Subject: Re: Reforming the BOF Process (was Declining the
ifare bof for Chicago)
>
> Bernard,
>
> I think your proposal is worth thinking about. The current BOF
process
> is very on/off in its nature. One of the problems that it is
causing is that
> when work is not far enough, a BOF or WG cannot be
established. This
> in turns leave the perception that the IETF is completely
ignoring the
> topic. In reality, a denied WG/BOF might mean anything ranging
from
> "go away with your stupid idea" to "this is very important and
interesting,
> but please do <X> first so that the WG can be chartered or BOF
held".
> We try to give the right perception, of course, but sometimes
its hard to
> convince people who can only observe the
existence/non-existence
> of an official activity.
>
> Jari
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