RE: Travel Considerations
2007-10-12 12:37:31
Wow, has this conversation wandered into the weeds, or what?
Time out for station identification; this is the "Internet
Engineering Task Force."
Thanks!
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Eric Gray
Principal Engineer
Ericsson
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From: James M. Polk [mailto:jmpolk(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:18 PM
To: Dan Harkins; Eric Burger
Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: Travel Considerations
Unfortunately, using this logic -- I can buy a tank and get 2
gallons-to-the-mile mileage because the rest of the planet (or at
least America) is still buying SUVs that get horrible mileage too,
since there will be nearly an unmeasurable difference to global
warming if I drive my tank or not... so why not drive it anyway.
There is an individual responsibility to change what we each can
change to help. As an organization, we can have a greater positive
affect if we reduce demand for such spoke flights by only flying to
hub sites of major airlines -- if we're going to continue to
meet in person.
If other organizations see ours as an example, and do the same, then
the positive affect is greater on us doing the right thing...
Doing the right thing in mass has to start somewhere -- why does it
have to start somewhere else here?
It's Friday...
At 01:30 PM 10/12/2007, Dan Harkins wrote:
You're assuming that if 1000 people decide not to fly to Prague
some weekend that the number of planes burning jet fuel to fly there
will be different. I don't think so.
Maybe you can start a "Boycott Prague The Spoke City"
campaign which,
if wildly successful, will reduce demand to fly there by
some discernable
amount and thereby reduce the number of planes flying there
and the amount
of jet fuel they would've burned. Well, as long as the
planes that aren't
flying to Prague aren't used to fly to Heathrow or Frankfurt
or some other
hub city. Also doubtful.
I do not intend on making ietf-discuss into a forum for discussing
the pluses and minuses resulting from a degree centigrade temperature
change but let me just say that "the planet wins" is a
somewhat dubious
statement.
Dan.
On Fri, October 12, 2007 7:32 am, Eric Burger wrote:
Here is an interesting optimization problem: it turns out the most
polluting part of a conference is people taking jets to fly to the
conference. Minimize that and the planet wins. Favors
hub cities over
spokes, like San Diego or Prague, where you "can't get
there from here",
no matter where "here" is.
See http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/318/5847/36.pdf
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