On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 02:49:47PM -0400, Melinda Shore wrote:
I think the situation with Dean is somewhat askew of
what's covered in 3683, since the issue here isn't
that he's sending abusive mail or spam (per se) or
mail that's inherently objectionable. It's that he's
subscribing people who post to the IETF mailing list
to his own mailing list, and I'm not sure that the
problem with doing so is that it generates a "welcome"
message. That is to say, it's not the email that's
being sent that's the issue (as nearly as I can tell
there's zero traffic on Dean's mailing lists), it's
that he's subscribing people without their permission
in the first place and that he's not letting some
unsubscribe in the second.
Actually, there has been some traffic on at least some of Dean's
mailing list. Unfortunately, not all of it has come from Dean, but
over time most people have learned not to reply to Dean, so it's not
that bad.
I'll take the liberty of assuming that there's general
agreement that this is not okay, and the issue under
discussion is how to respond. In terms of response
there are two issues: 1) preventative steps, and 2)
punitive steps. I'm not sure there are steps that can
be taken to prevent someone from doing this without
losing a significant degree of openness, and I think
it's obvious that that's too high a price to pay.
As for punishment, I'm just not sure. There have
been a few PR actions against Anderson so far and he
doesn't seem to be behaving any better, so whatever
punitive actions that have been taken seem to have
been ineffective.
The question I would ask is whether Dean has started subscribing AD's,
WG chairs, etc. using the aliases provided by Henrik. I had assumed
that was the cause of the complaints (since it would be a way for Dean
to bypass people's attempt to filter his mails by blacklisting any
e-mail originating from his mailing list server --- since he's not
preventing them from unsubscribing any other way). If this the case,
allowing Herik providing filtering service to prevent incoming SMTP
traffic from Dean's mailing list server would in fact be considered by
some to be (a) a preventative step, and (b) might considered by some a
real service to the community.
- Ted
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