Dean and all,
I believe that you are correct here Dean. Further it seems to me that
Certicom is in a round about way attempting to claim a near manopoly
on Extractor technology. If so, I have no doubt that they will face
serious challanges to such a claim.
Dean Anderson wrote:
If your interpretation were correct, then we would have to say that
Certicom is not claiming IPR on _any_ IETF document---draft or
RFC---since none are listed in Section V. But I think that is obviously
incorrect---I think you have misinterpreted what should be in which
section.
Section titles and descriptions:
Section IV. IETF Document or Other Contribution to Which this IPR
Disclosure Relates:
Section V. Disclosure of Patent Information (i.e., patents or patent
applications required to be disclosed by Section 6 of RFC 3979)
Section IV lists the drafts and RFCs. Section V lists the patents.
One would not expect to find a draft or RFC listed in Section V, nor a
patent listed in Section IV.
Extractor and other documents are listed in section IV.
--Dean
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009, Joseph Salowey (jsalowey) wrote:
While I see that draft-ietf-tls-extractor is listed in section IV of
#1154 IPR disclosure as related material, I see that it is explicitly
not listed in section V part C which lists what is specifically covered
by the disclosure. I don't think Certicom is claiming IPR on
draft-ietf-tls-extractor because it is not among the list of documents
in section V.
Joe
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[mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On
Behalf Of Simon Josefsson
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:32 PM
To: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org; tls(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying
Material Exportersfor Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to
Proposed Standard
With the caveat that I have recently returned from vacation,
and consequently may have missed some clarifications or paged out some
context:
If the #1154 IPR disclosure is the final word from Certicom
on this document, I don't support advancing this document on
the standards track. My concern remains that Certicom claims
they have IPR that covers the document -- that is what the
#1154 disclosure says (section IV). The additional
information provided in the PDF is not helping: it grants a
license for use together with ECC. It doesn't say anything
about the use without ECC.
The way I see it, TLS implementers and the broader Internet
does not gain something significant by having this document
published. Other IETF documents can use the TLS PRF to
derive keying material. On the contrary, it seems both TLS
implementers and the broader Internet community would be hurt
by publishing the document since having patent threats
looming over widely used techniques has stability and
interoperability impacts.
I recall that Certicom was positive about clarifying their
intentions so maybe we can continue that discussion and get
something more useful than the recent disclosure.
Speaking as TLS implementer of the document and document [1]
author that reference this document, /Simon
[1]
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-josefsson-krb5starttls-bootstrap-02
The IESG <iesg-secretary(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org> writes:
The IESG has received a request from the Transport Layer Security WG
(tls) to consider the following document:
- 'Keying Material Exporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS) '
<draft-ietf-tls-extractor-06.txt> as a Proposed Standard
The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks,
and solicits
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to
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The file can be obtained via
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