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Re: [sasl] Last Call: draft-ietf-sasl-scram

2009-09-24 11:39:17
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 07:54:56PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
I have noticed an additional problem related to additional data in
SCRAM.  RFC 4422 section 5 item 2b says:

      b) An indication of whether the server is expected to provide
         additional data when indicating a successful outcome.  If so,
         if the server sends the additional data as a challenge, the
         specification MUST indicate that the response to this challenge
         is an empty response.

As far as I can tell, SCRAM does not specify that the response to a
server-final sent as a challenge MUST be an empty client response.  This
violates the requirements in RFC 4422 for new mechanisms.

I'm not sure that not saying this violates RFC4422: one could argue that
this is implied, and it'd be better RFC4422 had been written in such a
way that we needn't repeat this over and over in all mechanism
specifications.  But I don't mind new text to cover this.

      C: Request authentication exchange
      S: Empty Challenge
      C: SCRAM client-first
      S: SCRAM server-first
      C: SCRAM client-final
      S: SCRAM server-final
      C: Empty Response
      S: Outcome of authentication exchange

(Four round-trips, ouch!)

Blame SASL, or, rather, SASL application protocols for two of those :)

And, of course, you're missing the mechanism negotiation round-trip
before that:

        C: List server SASL mechanisms request
        S: Server SASL mechanism list response

I believe section 5 needs to be rewritten to take all these variants
into account.  Right now the wordings all assume the last situation.

OLD:
   First, the client sends the "client-first-message" containing:

NEW:
   If the application protocol does not support optional initial
   responses, the client will request authentication and the first
   server challenge MUST be empty.  The first non-empty client response
   is the "client-first-message" containing:

[...]

I don't think this is necessary.  Instead I think we can add text saying
that we're describing the full, uncompressed exchange, and that nothing
in SCRAM prevents either sending the client-first message with the
authentication request, nor sending the server-final message as
additional data of the outcome of authentication message + a redundant
re-statement of the rule from RFC4422 section 5, item 2(b).

For my money the result will be more readable this way.

Nico
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