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Re: [TLS] Last Call: <draft-kanno-tls-camellia-00.txt> (Additionx

2011-03-08 11:34:29
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Martin Rex <mrex(_at_)sap(_dot_)com> wrote:
Eric Rescorla wrote:

I don't understand this reasoning. Why does the output size of the
pre-truncated PRF
influence the desirable length of the verify_data (provided that the
output size is > than
the length of the verify_data of course).

One of the purposes of a cryptographic hash function is to protect
from collisions (both random and fabricated collisions).

Cutting down the SHA-384 output from 48 to 12 octets significantly impairs
its ability to protect from collisions.  It's comparable to
truncating the SHA-1 output from 20 to 5 octets.


I don't understand this analysis. Consider two ideal PRFs:

* R-160 with a 160-bit output
* R-256 with a  256-bit output

Now, consider the function R-256-Reduced, which takes the first 160
bits of R-256.
Are you arguing that R-256-Reduced is weaker than R-160? If so, why?

-Ekr
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