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Re: For Monday's technical plenary - Review of draft-tschofenig-post-standardization-00

2011-03-29 06:31:38
Correct. 

The interoperability need shifts away from the client-to-server side (for 
example, to the server-to-server side; see Jonathan's plenary presentation 
slides) and to building blocks that are considered useful in various contexts. 

The BarBOF about JSON signing and encryption we had yesterday evening is an 
example of such a building block.

Ciao
Hannes

On Mar 29, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Eric Burger wrote:

I think this encapsulates what Dave is trying to get across:

Yes, it is MUCH easier for a server developer to stuff in a little more 
JavaScript.

Now, you have a 100% proprietary system, with no hope or desire for 
interoperability, that gets deployed much faster than someone taking their 
extension to the IETF for inclusion in, for example, IMAP.  The only reason 
one would go for the standard solution is if they want to interoperate with 
other vendors.  As you point out, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to 
participate in the standards process if they have no intention of 
interoperating with OTHER implementations.



On Mar 28, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:

I think the important aspect for IETF standards development is the 
following. IMAP and POP are protocols standardized a while ago already. They 
exist and that's fine. 
Imagine that you are a protocol designer that wants to develop a new feature 
for an email client. As an example, you want to define a new extension that 
makes certain email functions more efficient or so. 

You now have various options: You can write a new specification (like we did 
in the past) or you could add a piece of HTML/JavaScript code to your 
deployment and make use of it. It will immediately be available to your 
customers that use email through a browser. 

Which approach is the right one to do? Well. It depends on a number of 
factors.  

The authors view is that the increased importance of the Web deployment will 
lead many developers to consider the second option rather than to go for the 
former. 

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