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Re: Questions about draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point

2012-01-12 11:35:04
Hi Adrian,

Please see in line below for my response to your questions.  I will post a 
revised version of the draft tomorrow.

Regards,

Malcolm





"Adrian Farrel" <adrian(_at_)olddog(_dot_)co(_dot_)uk> 
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09/12/2011 05:49 AM
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Questions about draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point






Hi Malcolm and Huub,

I have squeezed a little time from the current ITU-T meeting to look at 
your
draft and write-up. I have also read the email threads on the IETF 
discussion
list and the MPLS list. Sorry that this has taken me a week to process, 
but your
publication request came at pretty much the worst possible time for 
getting me
to do this task.

I don't like proliferating threads across multiple mailing lists. On the 
other
hand it is difficult to ensure that all the constituencies are present, so 
I am
perpetuating the cross-posting.

My review of the document...

1. idnits (http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/) shows a couple of nits. I 
think
only one of these is real (the spurious space in a citation). The other 
nits are
spurious caused by citations wrapping across lines. Could you please keep 
a note
of the nit so that you can fix it the next time the draft is respun or so 
it can
be captured in an RFC Editor Note at a later stage (you don't have to post 
a new
revision to address this now unless you really want to).

[MB] OK fixed in the update

2. This document requests a code point from a registry that contains code 
points
that are used equally for MPLS LSPs and pseudowires. I can't tell from the 
I-D
whether it is your intention that your code point would also be applicable 
in
both cases. What is your intention? Is this "obvious" from G.8113.1 or 
does it
need to be clarified?

[MB] The draft requests a code point to support Ethernet based OAM 
messages the use of these messages on MPLS-TP LSPs and PWs is described in 
G.8113.1 other uses are not prohibited by this draft.

My review of the write-up and discussions...

3. There seems to be quite a feeling on the mailing lists that this 
document
should be run through the MPLS working group. The write-up makes a case 
for
progressing it as AD sponsored. As far as I can see, the main assertions 
to
answer are as follows. Do you have a view on these points before I make a
decision on what to do?

a. This is a proposal to use an MPLS code point and so is part of MPLS by
definition.

b. The type of network being managed by the OAM described in G.8113.1 is 
an MPLS
network. Therefore, this is clearly relevant to the MPLS working .

Do you object to this going through the MPLS on principle, or were you 
just
hoping to save the WG the work? If the latter, and if the WG wants to look 
at
the draft, the easiest approach seems to be to redirect the work to the 
working
group.

[MB]  G.8113.1 supports a subset of the functions defined in 
draft-bhh-mpls-tp-oam-y1731-08.  The -00 version was posted in March 2009, 
the draft was presented at several meetings in 2009 and early 2010 and had 
extensive discussion on the MPLS mailing list.  However, the MPLS WG have, 
by rough consensus, adopted a different approach.  Therefore, further 
review by the MPLS WG is of little value. 

4. G.8113.1 is clearly important to understanding to which the code point 
is
being put. Thus, an available and stable copy of group. G.8113.1 will be 
key to
the last call review of you I-D. Can you make a stable copy available (for
example, through liaison)? How does the editing work currently in progress 
in
the SG15 meeting affect that availability?

[MB] The draft is requesting a code point for the version of G.8113.1 that 
was forwarded to WTSA by SG 15 in December, this is the same as the draft 
that was determined in February 2011, I am not anticipating any changes 
prior to the approval decision at WTSA.  None of the changes in G.8113.1 
that were discussed during the drafting sessions and were anticipated in 
draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-01 were implemented,  as I stated above 
I will post a new version draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point to correctly 
reflect the content and title of G.8113.1 later this week.

5. Can you clarify for me why the suggested value has been suggested. This 
will
help guide IANA who would normally do their allocation in a "tidy" way.

[MB]  This value corresponds to the Ethertype used for Ethernet OAM


Looking forward to your reply.

Thanks,
Adrian

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