"We certainly have running code, widely deployed (although my request on the
MPLS list as to which manufacturers' boxes were involved never did get
answered:-("
Hope these help:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fang-mpls-tp-oam-considerations
http://www.eantc.com/fileadmin/eantc/downloads/events/2007-2010/CEWC09/EANTC-CEWC2009-WhitePaper-v1_2.pdf
Regards,
Rui
-----Original Message-----
From: t.petch [mailto:daedulus(_at_)btconnect(_dot_)com]
Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Março de 2012 09:58
To: Alia Atlas; Rui Costa
Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: FW:
LastCall:<draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt>(Allocationofan Associated
Channel Code Point for Use byITU-T Ethernetbased OAM) toInformational RFC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alia Atlas" <akatlas(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>
To: "Rui Costa" <RCosta(_at_)ptinovacao(_dot_)pt>
Cc: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:07 PM
Rui,
Perhaps more familiarity with the related history over the last several years
would help? I can recommend the MPLS list archives.
Otherwise, I find this remarkably disingenuous.
This is a case of a second solution that was clearly rejected by the MPLS
working group (despite in-person histrionics causing the ADs to have to
threaten to close down the WG meeting). Then the solution was taken to the ITU
study group - where it could also not get enough traction for their normal
process. It is still not approved as a recommendation.
<tp>
Alia
Were the roles reversed and the second solution be a product of the IETF that
the IETF were trying to get more widely approved, would the IETF allocate a
code point?
I think that it would. We certainly have running code, widely deployed
(although my request on the MPLS list as to which manufacturers' boxes were
involved never did get answered:-(.
We have a rough consensus; not unanimity, and not enough of a consensus to
satisfy the processes of the ITU-T but I think enough to satisfy the
consensus-judgers of the IETF (as ever, we do not vote, a majority of e-mails
for one point of view may be discounted, it is the quality of the views
expressed that matters as much or more).
So applying the standards to which we work, I think this is another reason why
we should approve this I-D.
Tom Petch
</tp>
To imply that the IETF should simply trust the allocated ACH code point to not
be abused both seems optimistic and sets a dreadful precedent.
Making an allocation available for an approved recommendation version is a
tolerable way of reducing the deliberate use of an experimental
value. Handing the keys over for any conceivable use, or even just
the uses in the OAM RFC that have been adequately met by IETF WG-consensus
based technology, does not seem appropriate.
Alia
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Rui Costa <RCosta(_at_)ptinovacao(_dot_)pt>
wrote:
I fail to understand the issue under discussion.
Can't imagine IEEE denying to grant Ethertype 0x86DD. If, however,
from absurd
that had happened, would the world stop or would we take the same information
from the IP header version field?
Regards,
Rui
-----Original Message-----
From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
[mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On Behalf
Of Alia
Atlas
Sent: quarta-feira, 21 de Março de 2012 15:30
To: D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo
Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: הנדון: RE: Last
Call:<draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt>(Allocationof an Associated
Channel Code Point for Use byITU-T Ethernetbased OAM) to Informational RFC
Considering that the need for this code point is a result of the ITU
not fully complying with the IETF agreement, I cannot agree that we
should simply allocate a code point for whatever the ITU wants to do
in the future.
It seems the best of the options to allocate a code point (much better
than squatting) - but tie it to a stable reference. If the ITU can't
provide a stable reference, then perhaps an RFC is the best way.
There are lots of folks with opinions on the best procedure, but I
certainly don't support the idea of not restricting the usage to what
is clearly defined.
Alia