It should be quite clear to everyone that the horse is quite dead at this
point. Any further beating is entirely unnecessary. So let's wrap it up
with this: the whatwg's spec language around urls has the potential to
cause confusion among implementers, so please consider reworking that
language to avoid such confusion. Period, end of story.
On Oct 23, 2012 2:12 PM, "Ian Hickson" <ian(_at_)hixie(_dot_)ch> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012, Julian Reschke wrote:
On 2012-10-23 01:59, Ian Hickson wrote:
...
Whether WebSockets is a good idea or not is besides the point. The
point
is that the hybi group was not a pleasant experience for me. If I were
to
be in a position to do Web Sockets again, I would decline the
opportunity
to do it through the IETF. Doing it through the IETF made the work
take a
year longer than it would have, made the protocol less secure (the WG
removed a number of defense-in-depth features), and made the spec a
mess
...
And, as far as I can tell, fixed a security problem in the original
design (which caused some UA implementers to actually disable what they
were shipping at that time):
<http://w2spconf.com/2011/papers/websocket.pdf>
The security issue in question was already fixed in the draft by the time
that paper came out.
(it's a mishmash of different editing styles). Plus, the group _still_
hasn't done multiplexing, which some of the vendors said was a prereq
to implementation, something which, prior to the IETF getting
involved, was only 3 to 6 months out on the roadmap. ...
Indeed, but then wasn't it you arguing *against* having it in the base
spec? (see <
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hybi/current/msg00239.html>)
I was arguing against having it in the first version, which I had planned
for Q3 2009 IIRC, and was planning on defining it as an extension protocol
in early 2010 (I even had a strawman ready). The hybi group argued and
argued and argued and argued and then decided to not have it in the first
version, which they ended up doing in Q4 2011, and still haven't done the
extension. So yeah, I stand by my point above.
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