petition process: Create a Request for Comment (RFC) process similar to
the
IETF's for taking in suggestions for innovation from public.
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Hi Richard,
IETF process may not be ideal, but it is better. More importantly, it
is a grassroots (not industry specific, and totally vendor dominated)
process, that at least considers unsolicited ideas based on merit, not
popularity.
And I bet NIST or GSA or the CTOs office are the right agencies to
implement it.
It is guaranteed to be light years better than a petition website..
Thanks for reading..
Sam Crooks
scrooks(_at_)microsoft(_dot_)com
From: Richard Barnes
Sent: =E2=80=8E3/=E2=80=8E8/=E2=80=8E2013 11:09 AM
To: Sam Crooks
Cc: Warren Kumari; khomme(_at_)salesforce(_dot_)com;
patrick(_dot_)gallagher(_at_)nist(_dot_)gov;
case_cole(_at_)yahoo(_dot_)com; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: [IETF] Petition for "We the People" US Federal Government
petition process: Create a Request for Comment (RFC) process similar to
the IETF's for taking in suggestions for innovation from public.
I think you may be over-estimating the filtering power of the
Internet-Draft system.
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Sam Crooks
<sam(_dot_)a(_dot_)crooks(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com> wrote:
not a Joke, Warren (and IETF).
The petition process is the best I have found to put in unsolicited
suggestions. The RFI process and public comments are the ways to put in
solicited comments on some topic. There is not a good merit-based proces=
s
to put suggestions and ideas into the government,
I am trying to get an effective one created. The IETF Internet Draft
process is the most effective I can think of for a grassroots process to
take input and kill the Internet trolls who hijack such processes..
I would appreciate your help, as well as the rest of the networking
industry's help, in highlighting the issue to people in the federal
government who can change it and put in an effective process.
There is innovation going on in the government, and they are starting to
put in place processes for innovation internally, but the government does
not have an effective process for gathering ideas from the public and
validating them based on merit. The Whitehouse's "We the People" website
is a popularity contest which occasionally produces interesting things,
like the recent "Build the Death Star" petition response from the
Whitehouse.
General Services Administration (GSA) is probably one of the most
innovative government agencies in relation to IT. NIST and DHS NPPD and
the DHS S&T directorates are very innovative as well, particularly in
regards to cybersecurity and information assurance. State department as
well.
Casey Coleman of the GSA writes a great blog on the innovation occurring
in the government, and is one of the most forward looking CIOs.
http://gsablogs.gsa.gov/innovation/
GSA is trying to innovate. Read this article:
http://www.govexec.com/management/2013/03/hunting-great-ideas-should-be-e=
veryday-affair-gsa-chief-says/61674/
The Whitehouse is doing some interesting things as well
Hackathons<http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/03/02/looking-back-white-h=
ouse-hackathon>
Exposing government data sets Open Government initiative<http://www.white=
house.gov/open/around>
Data.gov
Presidential Innovation Fellows program<http://www.whitehouse.gov/innovat=
ionfellows>
Help me highlight a great process that works (at least considerably bette=
r
than petitions) for collecting and vetting ideas from anybody on how and
why something should be changed, and perhaps it will be implemented.
The petition: http://wh.gov/G29p <http://wh.gov/G29p>
Regards,
Sam Crooks
http://www.linkedin.com/in/samcrooks/
sam(_dot_)a(_dot_)crooks(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Warren Kumari <warren(_at_)kumari(_dot_)net>
wrote:
'm assuming this is a joke=E2=80=A6 but my subtlety filters are turned d=
own, so
who knows...
"The Internet Draft process of the IETF works so effectively at filterin=
g
out Internet trolls because of the rigor and structure required for a
proposal to be submitted."
W
On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Sam Crooks
<sam(_dot_)a(_dot_)crooks(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com> wrote:
Hi all:
If you agree, please sign this petition. I'd appreciate your help in
crossing the thresholds required for consideration.
Regards,
Sam
Text of the Petition:
"Create a Request for Comment (RFC) process similar to the IETF's for
taking in suggestions for innovation from public.
I believe that the "We the People" initiative is a good idea,
grassroots-level suggestions, but a less than ideal implementation for
collection of innovation suggestions.
I propose that the Federal Government implement a process and structur=
e
similar to the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) Internet Draft and
Request For Comment (RFC) processes and organization, which has proven t=
o
be *extremely* effective at filtering the Internet trolls, which have
hijacked the "We the People" website and at collecting and acting on val=
id
innovation proposals from anyone with an idea.
The Internet Draft process of the IETF works so effectively at
filtering out Internet trolls because of the rigor and structure require=
d
for a proposal to be submitted.
http://www.ietf.org";
http://wh.gov/G29p
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/create-request-comment-rfc-pro=
cess-similar-ietfs-taking-suggestions-innovation-public/CqHFnjJc
--
"Working the ICANN process is like being nibbled to death by ducks,
it takes forever, it doesn't make sense, and in the end we're still dead
in the water."
-- Tom Galvin, VeriSign's vice president for government relations.
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<BR><BR>IETF process may not be ideal, but it is better. More importa=
ntly, it is a grassroots (not industry specific, and totally vendor dominat=
ed) process, that at least considers unsolicited ideas based on merit, not =
popularity.<BR><BR>And I bet NIST or GSA or the CTOs office are the right a=
gencies to implement it.<BR><BR><BR><BR>It is guaranteed to be light years =
better than a petition website..<BR><BR>Thanks for reading..<BR><BR>Sam Cro=
oks<BR>scrooks(_at_)microsoft(_dot_)com<BR></DIV></DIV>
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<SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGH=
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sans-serif"><A href=3D"mailto:rlb(_at_)ipv(_dot_)sx">Richard
Barnes</A></SPAN><BR><SPA=
N style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: b=
old">Sent: </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans=
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A href=3D"mailto:sam(_dot_)a(_dot_)crooks(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com">Sam
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<A href=3D"mailto:warren(_at_)kumari(_dot_)net">Warren Kumari</A>; <A
href=3D"mailto:=
khomme(_at_)salesforce(_dot_)com">khomme(_at_)salesforce(_dot_)com</A>; <A
href=3D"mailto:patrick=
.gallagher(_at_)nist(_dot_)gov">patrick(_dot_)gallagher(_at_)nist(_dot_)gov</A>;
<A href=3D"mailto:case=
_cole(_at_)yahoo(_dot_)com">case_cole(_at_)yahoo(_dot_)com</A>; <A
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ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org</A></SPAN><BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt;
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libri,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif">Re: [IETF] Petition for "We the =
People" US Federal Government petition process: Create a Request for Commen=
t (RFC) process similar to the IETF's for taking in suggestions for innovat=
ion from public.</SPAN><BR><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>I think you may be over-=
estimating the filtering power of the Internet-Draft system.<div><br></div>=
<div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Sam=
Crooks <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a
href=3D"mailto:sam(_dot_)a(_dot_)crooks(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">sam(_dot_)a(_dot_)crooks(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">not a Joke, Warren (and IETF).<div><br></div=
<div>The petition process is the best I have found to put in unsolicited s=
uggestions. The RFI process and public comments are the ways to put in soli=
cited comments on some topic. =C2=A0There is not a good merit-based process=
to put suggestions and ideas into the government,</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I am trying to get an effective one crea=
ted. =C2=A0The IETF Internet Draft process is the most effective I can thin=
k of for a grassroots process to take input and kill the Internet trolls wh=
o hijack such processes..</div>
<div><br></div><div>I would appreciate your help, as well as the rest of th=
e networking industry's help, in highlighting the issue to people in th=
e federal government who can change it and put in an effective process.</di=
v>
<div><br></div><div>There is innovation going on in the government, and the=
y are starting to put in place processes for innovation internally, but the=
government does not have an effective process for gathering ideas from the=
public and validating them based on merit. =C2=A0The Whitehouse's &quo=
t;We the People" website is a popularity contest which occasionally pr=
oduces interesting things, like the recent "Build the Death Star"=
petition response from the Whitehouse.</div>
<div><br></div><div>General Services Administration (GSA) is probably one o=
f the most innovative government agencies in relation to IT. =C2=A0NIST and=
DHS NPPD and the DHS S&T directorates are very innovative as well, par=
ticularly in regards to cybersecurity and information assurance. =C2=A0Stat=
e department as well.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Casey Coleman of the GSA writes a great blog on the inn=
ovation occurring in the government, and is one of the most forward looking=
CIOs. =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://gsablogs.gsa.gov/innovation/"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://gsablogs.gsa.gov/innovation/</a></div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>GSA is trying to innovate. =C2=
=A0Read this article: =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.govexec.com/management/20=
13/03/hunting-great-ideas-should-be-everyday-affair-gsa-chief-says/61674/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.govexec.com/management/2013/03/hunting-great-i=
deas-should-be-everyday-affair-gsa-chief-says/61674/</a></div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The Whitehouse is doing some interesting=
things as well</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.whitehouse.g=
ov/blog/2013/03/02/looking-back-white-house-hackathon" target=3D"_blank">Ha=
ckathons</a></div>
<div>Exposing government data sets <a href=3D"http://www.whitehouse.gov/ope=
n/around" target=3D"_blank">Open Government initiative</a>=C2=A0 <a href=3D=
"http://Data.gov"; target=3D"_blank">Data.gov</a></div><div><a href=3D"http:=
//www.whitehouse.gov/innovationfellows" target=3D"_blank">Presidential Inno=
vation Fellows program</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>Help me highlight a great process that works (at least =
considerably better than petitions) for collecting and vetting ideas from a=
nybody on how and why something should be changed, and perhaps it will be i=
mplemented.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The petition: <a href=3D"http://wh.gov/G=
29p" target=3D"_blank">=C2=A0http://wh.gov/G29p</a></div><div><br></div><di=
v>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Sam Crooks</div><div><a href=3D"http://=
www.linkedin.com/in/samcrooks/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/i=
n/samcrooks/</a></div>
<div>
<a href=3D"mailto:sam(_dot_)a(_dot_)crooks(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com"
target=3D"_blank">sam.a.crooks@gm=
ail.com</a></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div><br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Warren Kumari <span =
dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:warren(_at_)kumari(_dot_)net"
target=3D"_blank">warr=
en(_at_)kumari(_dot_)net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">'m assuming this is a joke=E2=80=A6 but =
my subtlety filters are turned down, so who knows...<br>
<div><br>
"The Internet Draft process of the IETF works so effectively at filter=
ing out Internet trolls because of the rigor and structure required for a p=
roposal to be submitted."<br>
<br>
</div>W<br>
<div><div>On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Sam Crooks <<a href=3D"mailto:sam.=
a(_dot_)crooks(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com"
target=3D"_blank">sam(_dot_)a(_dot_)crooks(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com</a>> wrote:=
<br>
<br>
> Hi all:<br>
><br>
> If you agree, please sign this petition. =C2=A0I'd appreciate your=
help in crossing the thresholds required for consideration.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
> Sam<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Text of the Petition:<br>
><br>
> "Create a Request for Comment (RFC) process similar to the IETF&#=
39;s for taking in suggestions for innovation from public.<br>
> I believe that the "We the People" initiative is a good idea=
, grassroots-level suggestions, but a less than ideal implementation for co=
llection of innovation suggestions.<br>
><br>
> I propose that the Federal Government implement a process and structur=
e similar to the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) Internet Draft and =
Request For Comment (RFC) processes and organization, which has proven to b=
e *extremely* effective at filtering the Internet trolls, which have hijack=
ed the "We the People" website and at collecting and acting on va=
lid innovation proposals from anyone with an idea.<br>
><br>
> The Internet Draft process of the IETF works so effectively at filteri=
ng out Internet trolls because of the rigor and structure required for a pr=
oposal to be submitted.<br>
><br>
> <a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org"; target=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org<=
/a>"<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> <a href=3D"http://wh.gov/G29p"; target=3D"_blank">http://wh.gov/G29p</a=
<br>
><br>
><br>
> <a href=3D"https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/create-request-co=
mment-rfc-process-similar-ietfs-taking-suggestions-innovation-public/CqHFnj=
Jc" target=3D"_blank">https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/create-requ=
est-comment-rfc-process-similar-ietfs-taking-suggestions-innovation-public/=
CqHFnjJc</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
</div></div>--<br>
"Working the ICANN process is like being nibbled to death by ducks,<br=
it takes forever, it doesn't make sense, and in the end we're still=
dead in the water."<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -- Tom Galvin, VeriSign's vice president for government r=
elations.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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