-----Original Message-----
From: Black, David
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:04 PM
To: McPherson, Danny; Fred Baker;
joel(_dot_)halpern(_at_)ericsson(_dot_)com; gen-art(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Cc: Jean-Michel Combes; Ted Lemon; savi(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org; Black, David;
ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope-06
I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer
for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see
http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html).
Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or
AD before posting a new version of the draft.
Document: draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope-06
Reviewer: David L. Black
Review Date: March 27, 2013
IESG Telechat Date: (if known)
Summary: This draft is on the right track, but has open issues, described in
the review.
Looking at the original Gen-ART review of the -05 draft and checking the
diffs
between -05 and -06, the issues raised by that review have only been
partially
addressed:
There is no discussion of link teaming or aggregation (e.g., via LACP); this
may affect source address validation functionality by requiring the same
validation checks on all aggregated ports. An important case to discuss
is where the aggregated host links are connected to ports on different
switches (e.g., in an active/passive configuration).
This is partially addressed on 4.1.2 (new section in -06), but only in terms
of moving validation state when something like LACP reconfigures. This has a
couple of shortcomings:
a) the alternative of statically allowing all source addresses through all
teamed/aggregated links (decouples SAVI state from link
teaming/aggregation
state) should also be mentioned, and
b) the new text implies that LACP is the only way to cause this situation -
it's
not, so LACP should be used as an example. VRRP is another example.
(1) Some of the software switch implementations are single instance switches
whose implementation is distributed across multiple physical servers. This
results in concerns similar to the link aggregation discussion above.
I don't think this has been addressed, but the notion of single-instance
switches
could be added to the generalization of the new text in 4.1.2.
(2) Live migration of virtual machines among physical servers causes
relocation of MAC addresses across switch ports. A so-called "gratuitous
ARP"
is often used to inform the network of the MAC address move; port-based
source address validation information needs to move in response to such
ARPs.
(3) MAC address relocation is also used as a failure recovery technique; the
surviving hardware element (e.g., host in a cluster) takes over the MAC
addresses of the failed hardware; like the previous case, a "gratuitous ARP"
is a common means of informing the network that the MAC address has moved,
and source address validation information needs to move in response to it.
Minor issues:
There doesn't seem to be much discussion of dynamic network reconfiguration,
which may change traffic egress points. VRRP may be a useful example to
discuss beyond the typical routing protocol updates to forwarding tables.
A paragraph has been added to 5.2.3 to address all three of the above
concerns.
I guess that's ok, but I would have liked to see some text pointing out that
a
MAC move can be detected by the switches and used to update SAVI state about
which port(s) a MAC is accessed through.
Thanks,
--David
-----Original Message-----
From: Black, David
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 1:03 AM
To: McPherson, Danny; Fred Baker;
joel(_dot_)halpern(_at_)ericsson(_dot_)com; gen-
art(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Cc: Black, David; Christian Vogt; Jean-Michel Combes; Jari Arkko;
savi(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope-05
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on
Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq>.
Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments
you may receive.
Document: draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope-05
Reviewer: David L. Black
Review Date: 12 May 2011
IETF LC End Date: 18 May 2011
Summary: This draft is on the right track, but has open issues, described in
the review.
This draft discusses the threats and deployment environment for IP source
address validation with particular attention to finer-grain validation that
could be used within a network to validate IP addresses closer to the
sources
of network traffic than ingress to an ISP's network.
Major issues:
There is no discussion of link teaming or aggregation (e.g., via LACP); this
may affect source address validation functionality by requiring the same
validation checks on all aggregated ports. An important case to discuss
is where the aggregated host links are connected to ports on different
switches
(e.g., in an active/passive configuration).
The discussion of multi-instance hosts in section 5.2.3 is incomplete
in several important aspects:
(1) Some of the software switch implementations are single instance switches
whose implementation is distributed across multiple physical servers. This
results in concerns similar to the link aggregation discussion above.
(2) Live migration of virtual machines among physical servers causes
relocation of MAC addresses across switch ports. A so-called "gratuitous
ARP"
is often used to inform the network of the MAC address move; port-based
source address validation information needs to move in response to such
ARPs.
(3) MAC address relocation is also used as a failure recovery technique; the
surviving hardware element (e.g., host in a cluster) takes over the MAC
addresses of the failed hardware; like the previous case, a "gratuitous ARP"
is a common means of informing the network that the MAC address has moved,
and source address validation information needs to move in response to it.
Minor issues:
There doesn't seem to be much discussion of dynamic network reconfiguration,
which may change traffic egress points. VRRP may be a useful example to
discuss beyond the typical routing protocol updates to forwarding tables.
Nits/editorial comments:
idnits 2.12.11 ran clean.
Thanks,
--David
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