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Re: Gen-Art telechat review of draft-farrell-perpass-attack-04

2014-01-19 12:17:47
I share these concern.

Stewart

Sent from my iPad

On 19 Jan 2014, at 08:30, "Eliot Lear" <lear(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com> wrote:

Jari,

I oppose changes made to the document in the last round as stated below.  If 
they remain, I would urge publication as Informational and not BCP:

   In particular, architectural decisions, including which existing
   technology is re-used, may significantly impact the vulnerability of
   a protocol to PM.  Those developing IETF specifications therefore
   need to consider mitigating PM when making these architectural
   decisions and be prepared to justify their decisions.  Getting
   adequate, early review of architectural decisions including whether
   appropriate mitigation of PM can be made is important.  Revisiting
   these architectural decisions late in the process is very costly.

In the fact of a lack of common understanding regarding the threat, this text 
can subject a working group to abuse and confusion.  This isn't theoretical, 
as it has happened in the past that working group chairs and area directors 
in particular have derailed efforts, setting standardization and deployment 
of useful technology back years, and this wasn't that long ago.

Let's make this discussion concrete with a few examples: the implications may 
be that a working group chair or any participant (although chairs are in a 
very good position to cause damage) could insist that DHCP not be used to 
carry new attributes because there is no common understanding of the scope of 
remediation that will be required.  Before certain ADs roll their eyes, the 
discussion gets derailed as follows:

I propose the following DHCP option to configure my new frob.
<< But DHCP is transmitted in the clear.  Please justify this decision.
(or worse) << and by the way here is my very heavy weight alternative that 
requires a valid cert chain
It's meant for the local wire.
<< But we don't know the scope of the attack.
...
...
Nevermind, I'll just use a vendor extension.  Goodbye.

Rinse and repeat with any other protocol that allows extensions.

It is fair to say that we should consider this threat at an architectural 
level.  It's fair (albeit a truism) that finding design flaws earlier in the 
process rather than later is less costly (ENG-101).  Justification language 
like the above, however, is likely to actively impede the IETF, as these 
sorts of things have in the past.

Eliot