On 5/28/2014 1:32 PM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote:
Interesting reading, but it doesn't really address the original post's
idea.
Setting some goals and a general vision is not prognostication. It's
thinking about how you want things to be, rather than trying to guess
what they'll be like.
You might never get there, and that's ok. But it helps upholding values
and principles, and guides new work.
It's a bit like writing science fiction.
I, for one, would propose leaving past grievances in the past and to
look towards the future.
My point still remains; the future lies with those who invent it, not
with those who want merely to talk about it.
Absent research funds to make things happen, having the IETF - or ISOC -
host such an exercise serves no useful purpose other than to occupy the
time of the participants.
That being said, it's a perfect honeypot for those so inclined.
Joe
Cheers!
~Carlos
On 5/28/14, 1:54 PM, Joe Touch wrote:
On 5/28/2014 1:05 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote:
On Tue 27/May/2014 20:00:58 +0200 Joe Touch wrote:
On 5/26/2014 7:15 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
At one time, NSF and the National Academy of Sciences used to publish
"research agendas" for networking - when did this stop?
It didn't, and all such reports (including 2020 visions) have had the
same amount of impact (lots of heat, but no light IMO).
Unless the IETF is prepared to put up research money to back it up*,
making statements about the future of the Internet is unproductive
prognostication.
Yet they spend some bucks on it:
The *IETF* has not.
Moving towards a more robust, secure and agile Internet
NSF announces $15 million in awards to develop, deploy and test future
Internet architectures
http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=131248&org=CISE&from=news
The NSF and DARPA absolutely have.
DARPA has been two-faced about it, though - on the one hand, repeatedly
celebrating the Internet as it's "poster" success story, on the other
hand undermining the entire concept of shepherding nascent ideas for the
20+ years it took for the Internet to gain traction. Shame on anyone
from our community who attended one of these celebrations since Tether's
tenure there, IMO.
Joe