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Re: [jose] Secdir review of draft-ietf-jose-json-web-signature-31

2014-09-21 21:22:19
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Jim Schaad 
<ietf(_at_)augustcellars(_dot_)com> wrote:





*From:* jose [mailto:jose-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] *On Behalf Of *Richard 
Barnes
*Sent:* Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:32 PM
*To:* John Bradley
*Cc:* ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org; secdir; Jim Schaad; Tero Kivinen; Michael 
Jones;
IESG; jose(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org; 
draft-ietf-jose-json-web-signature(_dot_)all(_at_)tools(_dot_)ietf(_dot_)org
*Subject:* Re: [jose] Secdir review of
draft-ietf-jose-json-web-signature-31



I think I may have erred by trying to write a treatise on which algorithms
are vulnerable :)  Here's some updated text, trying to be more concise.

Jim: Your points about SHA-256 vs. SHA-512/256 and SHA-256 vs. SHA-3 don't
really apply, since JOSE hasn't defined algorithm identifiers for
SHA-512/256 or SHA-3.



[JLS] Richard – are you planning to update this text when (not if) they
are defined?  If not then this is still part of the problem even if
currently not constrained.  The same could also be said to be not a problem
for all of the ECDSA algorithms since there is only one hash defined of any
given length.  (I will ignore the really fun problem for DSA and ECDSA
where there is a modulus operation that occurs on the hash value thus
creating collisions within the same hash function and making matching of
hash function lengths and key lengths of primary importance.)  However, as
these will almost certainly be defined in the future, they merit inclusion
in the potential problems.   I believe that this should be included in the
discussion as it is much easier to do than to break the mask function of
RSA.  (Breaking the same hash function twice is very non-trival, having two
hash functions that produce the same length hash is much easier.)


Is the phrase "Obviously, if other algorithms are added, then they may
introduce new risks" insufficient?

--Richard





"""
# Signature Algorithm Protection

In some usages of JWS, there is a risk of algorithm substitution attacks,
in which an attacker can use an existing signature value with a different
signature algorithm to make it appear that a signer has signed something
that he actually has not.  These attacks have been discussed in detail in
the context of CMS {{RFC 6211}}.  The risk arises when all of the following
are true:


* Verifiers of a signature support multiple algorithms of different
strengths

* Given an existing signature, an attacker can find another payload that
produces the same signature value with a weaker algorithm

* In particular, the payload crafted by the attacker is valid in a given
application-layer context

For example, suppose a verifier is willing to accept both "PS256" and
"PS384" as "alg" values, and a signer creates a signature using "PS256".
If the attacker can craft a payload that results in the same signature with
SHA-256 as the signature with SHA-384 of the legitimate payload, then the
"PS256" signature over the bogus payload will be the same as the "PS384"
signature over the legitimate payload.



There are several ways for an application using JOSE to mitigate algorithm
substitution attacks

The simplest mitigation is to not accept signatures using vulnerable
algorithms: Algorithm substitution attacks do not arise for all signature
algorithms.  The only algorithms defined in JWA
{{I-D.ietf-jose-json-web-algorithms}} that may be vulnerable to algorithm
substitution attacks is RSA-PSS ("PS256", etc.).  An implementation that
does not support RSA-PSS is not vulnerable to algorithm substitution
attacks.  (Obviously, if other algorithms are added, then they may
introduce new risks.)

In addition, substitution attacks are only feasible if an attacker can
compute pre-images for the weakest hash function accepted by the
recipient.  All JOSE algorithms use SHA-2 hashes, for which there are no
known pre-image attacks as of this writing.  Until there begin to be
attacks against SHA-2 hashes, even a JOSE implementation that supports PSS
is safe from substitution attacks.



Without restricting algorithms, there are also mitigations at the JOSE and
application layer: At the level of JOSE, an application could require that
the "alg" parameter be carried in the protected header.  (This is the
approach taken by RFC 6211.)  The application could also include a field
reflecting the algorithm in the application payload, and require that it be
matched with the "alg" parameter during verification. (This is the approach
taken by PKIX {{RFC5280}}.)



Of these mitigations, the only sure solution is the first, not to accept
vulnerable algorithms.  Signing over the "alg" parameter (directly or
indirectly) only makes the attacker's work more difficult, by requiring
that the bogus payload also contain bogus information about the signing
algorithm.  They do not prevent attack by a sufficiently powerful attacker.
"""

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