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Re: I-D Action: draft-bradner-rfc3979bis-08.txt

2016-03-30 15:33:51
actually - when 2026 was written that language was recommended by the (many) 
lawyers who advised us
specifically because it had been tested

Scott

On Mar 30, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Michael Cameron 
<michael(_dot_)cameron(_at_)ericsson(_dot_)com> wrote:

Hello Brian.  I respectfully disagree.  If the meaning of the phrase has not 
been litigated, it has not been tested. Regarding your second point, please 
refer to Gonzalo's earlier comment. For those and other reasons, I continue 
to believe that these amendments add certainty and clarity to the policy.

Best, Mike


On Mar 30, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Brian E Carpenter 
<brian(_dot_)e(_dot_)carpenter(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com> wrote:

On 31/03/2016 06:01, Michael Cameron wrote:
...
To clarify this, I would propose deleting the phrase "reasonably and" in 
Section 5.1.2.

I would object very strongly to this deletion. We have always said 
"reasonably and
personally known" to make it clear that nobody is expected to go to 
unreasonable
lengths to discover the existence of IPR. For anyone who works for a large 
company,
it is clearly unreasonable for them to be aware of all IPR owned by that 
company,
and this phrase covers that case nicely, especially given that we all 
participate
and contribute here as individuals, even if we happen to use a corporate 
email
address. This phrase has stood the test of time and should not be changed.

...
...  Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, acting as a working 
group chair or Area Director shall constitute "Participating" to the extent 
such person engages in discussions or review of a Contribution as part of 
the activities of their relevant working group or area. 

That seems 100% redundant to me. How could anybody possibly interpret the 
roles
of WG Chair or AD as anything other than participating, at moments when they
are not contributing (which they often do)?

Regards
 Brian



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