Hi Scott, please provide a cite to the case interpreting that phrase-depending
on the context and court, this may not be as significant an issue. Your
second point about what someone "should" know is the concern. If a Company X
engineer is a co-author with 3 others on a number of drafts, and it is in one
of a number of WGs that are overseen by a Company X AD, and this draft is
overlooked by the Company X AD, "should" that Company X AD nevertheless have to
redouble their efforts, ensure that they are aware of all the Company X drafts
of all the workgroups under their area, then at least cursorily canvas the
Company X IP portfolio? My experience is that a hostile trial lawyer will argue
that the AD "should" have performed this at least cursory analysis. In fact, a
trial lawyer will go further and torch an AD for not doing much, much more.
All because of the word "should". Let's stay away from what someone "should"
know and stick with what they do know.
Best, Mike
On Mar 30, 2016, at 1:32 PM, Scott O. Bradner <sob(_at_)sobco(_dot_)com>
wrote:
this is a legal issue - the language comes from a long ago US court case
in addition to what Brian brings out
“reasonably’ also refers to what someone should, by their job, know - i.e. a
company
can not purposely keep someone in the dark to avoid disclosure requirements
Scott
On Mar 30, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Brian E Carpenter
<brian(_dot_)e(_dot_)carpenter(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com> wrote:
On 31/03/2016 06:01, Michael Cameron wrote:
...
To clarify this, I would propose deleting the phrase "reasonably and" in
Section 5.1.2.
I would object very strongly to this deletion. We have always said
"reasonably and
personally known" to make it clear that nobody is expected to go to
unreasonable
lengths to discover the existence of IPR. For anyone who works for a large
company,
it is clearly unreasonable for them to be aware of all IPR owned by that
company,
and this phrase covers that case nicely, especially given that we all
participate
and contribute here as individuals, even if we happen to use a corporate
email
address. This phrase has stood the test of time and should not be changed.
...
Regards
Brian