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Re: TSV-ART review of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-roadblock-avoidance

2016-06-25 00:54:44
Brian

While I attempt to corral the authors, let me attempt to answer these questions as the Document Shepherd.

Answers inline.

On 6/14/16 8:13 AM, Brian Trammell wrote:
Greetings,

I've reviewed this draft as part of the TSV Area Review Team, paying special 
attention to transport-related concerns. Please take these as any other IETF 
last call comments.

Summary: This draft clearly describes online testing of possible DNSSEC 
failures, and how to interpret the results. It does not appear to pose any 
transport-related danger, and is broadly ready for publication as a BCP.

I do have the following questions, though:

(1) Section 3.1: "The tests are designed to check for one feature at a time". This is 
generally A Good Thing, but it does seem that there should be some attempt to economize on packets 
sent. This is not as much a problem when testing recursive resolvers, since they should only need 
to be run when a host introduces itself to a neighboring recursive resolver and the test traffic 
shouldn't leave the site. However, section 3.2 are designed to run on the open Internet, and seems 
to suggests that tests 3.2.1-3.2.3 should be run *first*, then followed by the fourteen tests in 
section 3.1. In the "best case" future for this document, that every stub resolver 
implements this online testing automatically, every packet saved is significant.

Interesting point, but the tests in 3.1 would never be run against the servers in section 3.2. I agree, if they did, your optimization would be useful. I am looking for the text which may imply running section 3.1 tests first before running section 3.2 texts

Some optimizations are obvious: 3.2.1 replaces 3.1.1, 3.2.3 replaces 3.1.2. The 
document should note these (even though they're trivial). Some optimizations 
have already been made: 3.1.5, 3.1.10, 3.3. test multiple conditions. Are there 
any other tests that could be combined (e.g. the TCP connectivity and EDNS0 
tests) without losing fidelity?

(2) Could the retries advised in section 5 be abused to cause a resolver 
running roadblock avoidance to send unnecessary test traffic? It seems that 
injecting an error, illegal, or bogus response could induce multiple retries, 
though it's not clear that the amplification factor makes this worth it.

I think the answer on unnecessary traffic is yes, but the text in the document suggests retries the Validator MAY run. The text could be improved to suggest avoid creating amplification issues, however insignificant.

(2) In section 6, the draft raises the possibility of unstable networking after 
connection (e.g. in a captive portal situation); guidance to refrain from flooding the 
network with test traffic during this instability might be useful. Perhaps explicitly 
link the DNSSEC checks to a "network proves to be usable" signal (either from 
the application or the operating system)?

I believe in Section 6 the two options is a trade off between security (keep testing, and falling test) and usability (waiting for network). Does;'t the text in 6.1 express this - "the device MAY have a policy of action, like continue or fail. "

thanks
tim

Thanks, cheers,

Brian (as TSV-ART reviewer)


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