There is a great need for the certification hierarchy described in the PEM standards. I don't understand why anyone would want to remove that feature just so PEM can provide functionality that is already provided for by deployed applications. I don't think that this is quite right. There is clear need for a certification hierarchy (or network) -- but it's not at all clear whether the top-down hierarchy in PEM is the right one, as it appears to have impeded the deployment of PEM. - Bill
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