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Re: [c948374-postfix(_at_)student(_dot_)dtu(_dot_)dk: Re: ehlo]

2001-03-13 08:31:15
[cc: postfix-users(_at_)postfix(_dot_)org trimmed]

On 13 Mar, Landy Roman wrote:
| can someone shed some light why this mail made it to my spammers box
| soon to be deleted
| 
| see recipe
| 

Which was sent as an attachment. Please don't do that. Send it in-line.

| 
| ----- Forwarded message from Rask Ingemann Lambertsen 
<c948374-postfix(_at_)student(_dot_)dtu(_dot_)dk> -----
| 
| Errors-To: <owner-postfix-users(_at_)postfix(_dot_)org>
| Delivered-To: postfix-users-outgoing(_at_)cloud9(_dot_)net
| Delivered-To: postfix-users(_at_)cloud9(_dot_)net
| Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:49:45 +0100
| From: Rask Ingemann Lambertsen 
<c948374-postfix(_at_)student(_dot_)dtu(_dot_)dk>
| To: Ralf Hildebrandt <Ralf(_dot_)Hildebrandt(_at_)innominate(_dot_)com>
| Subject: Re: ehlo
| X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i
| In-Reply-To: 
<news2mail-slrn9a9e9k(_dot_)rd9(_dot_)Ralf(_dot_)Hildebrandt(_at_)gulliver(_dot_)bln(_dot_)innominate(_dot_)de>;
 from news-list(_dot_)postfix(_dot_)users(_at_)innominate(_dot_)de on Tue, Mar 
06, 2001 at 10:17:24AM +0000
| Precedence: bulk
| 
| [...]
|
| :0
| * ! ^TO_landie
| {     XLOOP = landie(_at_)concentric(_dot_)net
|
| #     :0 hcw
| #     * ! ^FROM_DAEMON
| #     *! $ ^X-Loop: *$\XLOOP
| #     |(formail -rf \
| #             -I "X-Mailer: Virtuoso spam processing" \
| #             -I "virtuoso.org" \
| #             -i "Subject: Your message has been deleted" \
| #             -A "X-Loop: $XLOOP" ; \
| #             cat $HOME/spam_error \
| #             ) | $SENDMAIL $SENDMAILFLAGS -t
|               :0
|               $PMDIR/spammers
|               }

Do you see "landie(_at_)concentric(_dot_)net" in any of the headers you sent?  
If
you don't see it either, then the message clearly matched the one and
only condition and procmail had no choice *but* to deliver it where you
told it to under that condition.  I'm really not trying to be a wise
guy, but I don't understand how there could be any confusion on this.
Unless you think that since it got delivered to you it must be ^TO_
you. But mail is routed between MTAs using envelope information that is
gone by the time the message gets to procmail for local delivery,
unless your MTA is configured to add it to the headers (sometimes done
as X-Envelope-To:)(1).  This is why, if your going to do aggressive spam
filtering including bouncing and/or responding to messages (tactics of
questionable value), you *must* filter your mail lists *before* you
filter the spam. Otherwise you're going to find yourself bounced off the
mail lists. (2) Search the archives for "green list" or "white list" for
numerous discussions on how this may be done.
 
(1) Sometimes the envelope recipient can be detected in Received:
headers, but that's not guaranteed.
(2) There's no problem with filtering spam from lists, but make sure
there are no auto-responses or bounces.

-- 
                         /"\
Don Hammond              \ /     ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN
Raleigh, NC US            X        AGAINST HTML MAIL,
                         / \      AND NEWS TOO

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