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Re: Re: FYI from the I-D factory

2005-03-30 19:37:58
At 06:05 AM 3/30/2005 +0200, Frank Ellerman wrote:

> some interesting I-Ds I've seen in the last weeks

Not everything moves as slow as SPF, some updates:

2005-03-28     85933    draft-crocker-email-arch-04.txt
2005-03-25     25357    draft-hoffman-hash-attacks-00.txt
2005-03-25     81649    draft-delany-domainkeys-base-02.txt
2005-03-25     52114    draft-otis-mass-reputation-01.txt

The latter is an example for "FUD and flame wars by I-Ds".
Doug should patent this idea if there's no prior art.  Bye.

Nice list. I'm not smart enough to tell if draft-otis is FUD or real worries. I do see that there is a big push to make the DNS queries really efficient, and capable of withstanding the worst DoS attack imaginable. CSV does the authentication check in one query, using an SRV record. <http://mipassoc.org/csv/draft-ietf-marid-csv-intro-02.html>http://mipassoc.org/csv/draft-ietf-marid-csv-intro-02.html As I understand it, the IP addresses returned in an SRV record are single addresses, and only a few will fit. There is also some really awkward re-definition of existing fields in the SRV record. I think the need for authentication is universal enough that it deserves its own new record type.

Seems like we need an "SPF-Lite", with nothing but IP blocks. If an ISP as large as rr.com can list all their mail servers in one SPF record, I can't imagine there will be many that need "SPF Heavy". Having a compact notation to indicate large groups of servers will make SPF records much easier to set up than a zillion little SRV records.

Here is rr.com's entire list:
v=spf1 ip4:24.30.203.0/24 ip4:24.28.200.0/24 ip4:24.28.204.0/24
ip4:24.30.218.0/24 ip4:24.93.47.0/24 ip4:24.25.9.0/24
ip4:65.24.5.0/24 ip4:24.94.166.0/24 ip4:24.29.109.0/24
ip4:66.75.162.0/24 ip4:24.24.2.0/24 ip4:65.32.5.0/24 +mx ~all

Here are some more compact alternatives:
m=24.30.203/24,24.28.200/24,24.28.204/24,24.30.218/24,24.93.47/24,
24.25.9/24,65.24.5/24,24.94.166/24,24.29.109/24,66.75.162/24,
24.24.2/24,65.32.5/24 ...

m=24(24.30.203,24.28.200,24.28.204,24.30.218,24.93.47,24.25.9,
65.24.5,24.94.166,24.29.109,66.75.162,24.24.2,65.32.5) ...

m=24(181ecb,181cc8,181ccc,181eda,185d2f,181909,411805,185ea6,
181d6d,424ba2,181802,412005) ...

Remember, this is the output of an SPF compiler. The input can be a nice tabular display.

Can SPF3 have *fewer* features than SPF1? That will give everyone enough time to organize their domains so they don't need macros and redirects.

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