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RE: xsl:sort in old MSXML

2003-07-02 06:51:17
Jim,

Sorry, I don't think I've confused. I understand Saxon is an XSLT processor 
implementation, as well as MSXML. But going this path seems (as I said, from 
the msgs I read in this forum) that incorportes also other features that are 
not available in other processors though going to get errors when processing 
under different environments (for instance, the clients that do not have MSXML 
installed on their machine will not be able to see the trasnformation, and I 
guess the same occurs with Saxon).

Probably all the confusion stands in that I still don't get the architecture of 
the whole paradigm.

XML ---> XSLT ---> HTML/PDF/WAP/etc.
(1)       (2)       (3) 

(1) could be in server side, client side or both?
(2) could be in server side, client side or both?
Where does (2) takes place? in server side, client side or both?
If (2) takes place in server side, do I need to have Saxon/MSXML/"other 
processor" in the server?
If (2) takes place in client side, does the client machine need to have 
Saxon/MSXML/"other processor" installed on it?

Regards, Claudio.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Fuller [mailto:jim(_dot_)fuller(_at_)stuartlawrence(_dot_)com]
Sent: Miércoles, 02 de Julio de 2003 10:13 a.m.
To: xsl-list(_at_)lists(_dot_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com
Subject: RE: [xsl] xsl:sort in old MSXML


i think u confuse my discussion

saxon is just an XSLT processor implementation, it fully adheres to the XSLT 
1.0 standard, and also implements XSLT 2.0 if u choose to use it. it is open 
standard, as for running on the client machine, it is obvious from your 
questions that a book combined with 'rubber on the road' experience will answer 
these 1st order questions.

cheers, jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Claudio Russo [mailto:crusso(_at_)azurixbasa(_dot_)com(_dot_)ar]
Sent: 02 July 2003 14:06
To: xsl-list(_at_)lists(_dot_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com
Subject: RE: [xsl] xsl:sort in old MSXML


Jim,

Thanks for your replay.

But this will tie me up with a specific technology instead of 
begin adhering straight to standards and open tech. For sure 
this technology is one step ahead of the standard but unless 
is a standard by itself (which I doubt from the msgs coming 
to this list), will be difficult to see applications running 
smoothly in, lets say, at least 90% of the clients machines.

As I said, I've been playing a little bit (for sure not as 
much as you did guys) with the XML/XSLT technology and is 
time to wrap up and take in concern what I mention before, 
being able to deploy a site with minor environment problems, 
inmediate adherance to standards and simple maintenance.

Claudio.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Fuller [mailto:jim(_dot_)fuller(_at_)stuartlawrence(_dot_)com]
Sent: Miércoles, 02 de Julio de 2003 06:20 a.m.
To: xsl-list(_at_)lists(_dot_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com
Subject: RE: [xsl] xsl:sort in old MSXML


-----Original Message-----
From: Claudio Russo [mailto:crusso(_at_)azurixbasa(_dot_)com(_dot_)ar]

I would suggest that you just download saxon ( 
saxon.sourecforge.net ) and go through as many examples as 
possible, the architectural view will emerge with this 
intimate experience, deal with the axiomatic idiom of 
xml+xslt->xml parsing first, then layer from there....yes I 
know, if its hard to explain....then why....sometimes just 
doing is the quickest route between 2 points.

there are many 'grand' visions e.g. the architectural 
viewpoint you ask for, it depends on whom you are asking;for 
example those ( no offense ) older SGML'ers out there will no 
doubt have a document centric viewpoint ...or corba/dcom folk 
will no doubt be nodding their heads saying ahhhh SOA. 

One thing is certain, that xml and derived markups such as 
XSLT are an agent of change affecting said architectures.

gl, jim fuller
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