Re: [xsl] Replace content of element, then transform it...

Trond,

Thanks for the reference.

To be clear, what this XSLT does (or appears to do: I haven't run it) is 
convert XML represented as a string literal into a tree structure. This 
isn't really the same as d-o-e, which as we discussed is a feature of a 
serializer, not a transformation (in the XSLT sense) at all.
As such, the stylesheet does implement something like an XML parser, 
although not formally one as it doesn't follow XML's rules (such as that 
a processor must stop on non-well-formed input). Thus, it isn't that it 
"does d-o-e" but that it does what a parser does after one has written 
literal XML from escaped pseudo-XML (with d-o-e).
It's worth noting that the same logic could probably be expressed in 
about half the code using XSLT 2.0. (But if it's to work inside Firefox 
it must be in XSLT 1.0.)
Its author, Scott Trenda, has been a frequent contributor to this list.

Cheers,
Wendell

On 8/30/2012 5:04 PM, trond(_dot_)huso(_at_)ntb(_dot_)no wrote:
> Wendell and others,
>
> Just in case others come/are in the same situation:
> On this page there is a reference to an XSL-file that does 
> disable-output-escaping.
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98168
>
> Trond Husø
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trond(_dot_)huso(_at_)ntb(_dot_)no 
> [mailto:trond(_dot_)huso(_at_)ntb(_dot_)no]
> Sent: 30. august 2012 18:17
> To: xsl-list(_at_)lists(_dot_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com
> Subject: RE: [xsl] Replace content of element, then transform it...
>
> Wendell,
>
> Thanks for a very informative answer.
> Yes, the XML I am receiving is poor by design, but has been chosen because the 
> input system opens for non-valid XHMLT/XML.
> As I am trying to manipulate those who have taken this decision I sort of have 
> option 0.
>
> Found a bugreport on Firefox not supporting d-o-e where they have a 
> doe.xsl-file, so I am following that route at the moment. Looks sort of OK, but 
> since I am currently playing with controlled test-data and not real life 
> examples, who knows when this will break...
>
> I will look at the saxon::parse() function that you are referring to... And 
> yes, if the XML/Source is valid or not...
>
>
> Thanks
> Trond Husø
>
>
>
> Trond,
>
> Indeed, your case illustrates exactly why disable-output-escaping is a trap.
>
> One might think that if you have
>
> <e>&lt;f>g&lt;/f></e>
>
> and then
>
> <xsl:template match="e">
>     <xsl:copy>
>       <xsl:value-of select="." disable-output-escaping="yes"/>
>     </xsl:copy>
> </xsl:template>
>
> you then get<e><f>g</f></e>.
>
> And this might even be true, in some cases -- but not in all. The reason? 
> "<e><f>g</f></e>" is a sequence of characters, and XSLT does not generate 
> sequences of characters, but nodes arranged in trees. You get a sequence of characters only when some subsequent 
> process creates one from a tree generated by the transformation.
>
> In this case, the tree would be shaped like this:
>
> - element 'e'
>     - text '<f>g</f>'
>
> The process that turns this into an XML representation (tags and text:
> "<e><f>g</f></e>") is called "serialization".
>
> In your case, however, having generated such a tree, your XSLT submits it to be 
> processed with a set of templates. No markup is created at all until the 
> *final* result of your processing pipeline is written in the form of characters.
>
> There is no 'f' element to be matched and processed in this second step.
>
> Among other consequences of working with trees (by and large beneficial ones), this means 
> that the design pattern of "hiding" markup inside XML by escaping it is a poor 
> one, which is bound to create problems. At best it works only if it is carefully managed.
>
> How to manage it (assuming you can't change your input data)? You have two 
> choices:
>
> 1. Serialize your intermediate results before processing it again.
> (Split your stylesheet into two, and run the second on the serialized output of 
> the first.) This can work, but it doesn't scale well, as it requires both 
> serializing and then parsing again in the middle of every transformation. Even 
> with solid-state storage devices, this tends to be
> time- and resource-intensive. And it locks you down to certain kinds of 
> transformation architecture (namely on a file system).
>
> 2. Find another way of parsing the pseudo-markup hidden in your data.
> For example, use an extension such as saxon:parse(), which will turn a string 
> into a tree of nodes (assuming it's well-formed XML).
>
> Cheers,
> Wendell
>
> On 8/30/2012 9:01 AM, trond(_dot_)huso(_at_)ntb(_dot_)no wrote:
> > Right. I take that note.
> >
> > I am also noticing that disable-output-escaping is deprecated in XSLT2.0, so I 
> > guess I shall try and figure out another way of doing this...
> >
> > Trond
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Kay [mailto:mike(_at_)saxonica(_dot_)com]
> > Sent: 30. august 2012 14:37
> > To: xsl-list(_at_)lists(_dot_)mulberrytech(_dot_)com
> > Subject: Re: [xsl] Replace content of element, then transform it...
> >
> > One of the main reasons that we've been telling people for 12 years not to use 
> > disable-output-escaping is that it couples the transformation too closely to 
> > the serialization, meaning it's difficult and inefficient to reuse your code as 
> > part of a pipeline. A lot depends on what this d-o-e stuff is really doing. 
> > Having said that, from the information supplied I don't know why you are 
> > getting the error you are.
> >
> > Michael Kay
> > Saxonica
> >
> >
> > On 30/08/2012 12:08, trond(_dot_)huso(_at_)ntb(_dot_)no wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have the following XSLT.
> > > <xsl:template match="body">
> > >            <body>
> > >                <xsl:value-of select="." disable-output-escaping="yes"/>
> > >            </body>
> > >        </xsl:template>
> > >
> > >        <xsl:template match="leadtext">
> > >            <leadtext>
> > >                <xsl:value-of select="." disable-output-escaping="yes"/>
> > >            </leadtext>
> > >        </xsl:template>
> > >
> > >
> > >        <xsl:template match="node()|@*">
> > >            <xsl:copy>
> > >                <xsl:apply-templates select="node()|@*"/>
> > >            </xsl:copy>
> > >        </xsl:template>
> > >
> > > Which does what is intended. Just that I want to not output it, but start w= 
> > > orking on it in a phase-two process.
> > > So I tried this
> > >
> > > <xsl:template match="body">
> > >            <body>
> > >                <xsl:value-of select="." disable-output-escaping="yes"/>
> > >            </body>
> > >        </xsl:template>
> > >
> > >        <xsl:template match="leadtext">
> > >            <leadtext>
> > >                <xsl:value-of select="." disable-output-escaping="yes"/>
> > >            </leadtext>
> > >        </xsl:template>
> > >
> > >
> > >        <xsl:template match="node()|@*">
> > >            <xsl:variable name="foo">
> > >            <xsl:copy>
> > >                <xsl:apply-templates select="node()|@*"/>
> > >            </xsl:copy>
> > >            </xsl:variable>
> > >            <xsl:apply-templates select="$foo" mode="phase2" />
> > >        </xsl:template>
> > > <!-- Error message:
> > > Description: Cannot create an attribute node (id) whose parent is a
> > > documen= t node
> > > -->
> > >
> > > After reading about how this works, I now understand why I am getting the e= 
> > > rror. Is there another alternative to make this possible in one document, o= r 
> > > do I have to send the output to a new document?
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Trond Husø
> > > System Developer
> > > Mobile : +47 450 35 715
> > > E-mail : trond(_dot_)huso(_at_)ntb(_dot_)no
> > > www.ntb.no
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