Thanks for the suggestion, I will certainly look into this.
Thank you Dr. Kay.
For anyone interested to learn about Reactive Extensions, here are a few
resources:
RxJS in Action, https://www.manning.com/books/rxjs-in-action
- *.NET Reactive Extensions Fundamentals 1.0*, Pluralsight course by Dan
Sullivan,
https://www.pluralsight.com/library/courses/reactive-extensions/table-of-contents
- *Asynchronous Programming in JavaScript (with Rx.js Observables)*,
Pluralsight course by by Jafar Husain,
https://www.pluralsight.com/library/courses/asynchronous-javascript-rxjs-observables/table-of-contents
- *RxJS in Angular: Reactive Development*, a Pluralsight course by
Deborah Kurata,
https://www.pluralsight.com/library/courses/rxjs-angular-reactive-development/table-of-contents
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Cheers,
Dimitre Novatchev
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 12:43 AM Michael Kay <mike(_at_)saxonica(_dot_)com>
wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion, I will certainly look into this.
My instinct to use promises was because we're primarily interested in
retrieving external resources, which is inevitably done by calling out to
Javascript APIs, and most of those APIs these days manage the asynchrony
using JavaScript promises.
Michael Kay
Saxonica
On 1 Aug 2020, at 04:08, Dimitre Novatchev <dnovatchev(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>
wrote:
First of all, congratulations to the Balisage organizers for organizing
this conference even in the current situation.
I read Dr. Kay's paper "Asynchronous XSLT" from the proceedings of
Balisage-2020:
https://www.balisage.net/Proceedings/vol25/html/Kay01/BalisageVol25-Kay01.html
While the described new feature (promises) is impressive and will be a
step in the right direction, people who have used both promises and
reactive extensions (RxJs in particular, a Javascript implementation of
Reactive Extensions: http://reactivex.io
<http://reactivex.io/languages.html> ) point out certain advantages of
using Rx observables over promises:
- Promises produce only one event; Observables produce a stream of
events.
- Promises are not lazy; Observables do not fire even after being
created, they start emitting the event stream only upon subscription.
- Working with nested and interdependent promises can be cumbersome
and unwieldy; Much easier and structured when expressed and handled with
observables.
- Promises, once started, cannot be cancelled; Observables were
designed having cancellation in mind.
- Shall we mention multicasting ...
Here is a brief video that shows this in running code:
https://egghead.io/lessons/rxjs-rxjs-observables-vs-promises
The reason for my message is that it is still not too late to make an
informed design decision that takes into consideration the established best
approach towards implementing the handling of asynchrony in almost all
major programming languages, and, to have a written evidence that this
problem had at least been raised and (hopefully) discussed.
To quote http://reactivex.io/languages.html , Rx has been implemented in
these languages, platforms and frameworks:
Languages
- Java: RxJava <https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxJava>
- JavaScript: RxJS <https://github.com/ReactiveX/rxjs>
- C#: Rx.NET <https://github.com/Reactive-Extensions/Rx.NET>
- C#(Unity): UniRx <https://github.com/neuecc/UniRx>
- Scala: RxScala <https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxScala>
- Clojure: RxClojure <https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxClojure>
- C++: RxCpp <https://github.com/Reactive-Extensions/RxCpp>
- Lua: RxLua <https://github.com/bjornbytes/RxLua>
- Ruby: Rx.rb <https://github.com/Reactive-Extensions/Rx.rb>
- Python: RxPY <https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxPY>
- Go: RxGo <https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxGo>
- Groovy: RxGroovy <https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxGroovy>
- JRuby: RxJRuby <https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxJRuby>
- Kotlin: RxKotlin <https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxKotlin>
- Swift: RxSwift <https://github.com/kzaher/RxSwift>
- PHP: RxPHP <https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxPHP>
- Elixir: reaxive <https://github.com/alfert/reaxive>
- Dart: RxDart <https://github.com/ReactiveX/rxdart>
ReactiveX for platforms and frameworks
- RxNetty <https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxNetty>
- RxAndroid <https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxAndroid>
- RxCocoa <https://github.com/kzaher/RxSwift>
.
Why don't we make XSLT part of this large family, where all developers
already know, use and understand the functions and operators, and will be
able with minimum effort to also use the same in XPath/XSLT?
Or is this really challenging because of existing inherent problems in
XSLT?
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Dimitre Novatchev
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Truly great madness cannot be achieved without significant intelligence.
---------------------------------------
To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk
-------------------------------------
Never fight an inanimate object
-------------------------------------
To avoid situations in which you might make mistakes may be the
biggest mistake of all
------------------------------------
Quality means doing it right when no one is looking.
-------------------------------------
You've achieved success in your field when you don't know whether what
you're doing is work or play
-------------------------------------
To achieve the impossible dream, try going to sleep.
-------------------------------------
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
-------------------------------------
Typing monkeys will write all Shakespeare's works in 200yrs.Will they write
all patents, too? :)
-------------------------------------
Sanity is madness put to good use.
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I finally figured out the only reason to be alive is to enjoy it.
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