Ted,
The
big problem others have been pointing to is that DISCUSSes are
not being used to say "here is a technical issue, for which any
solution acceptable to the community is fine", but are instead being
used to say "here is a technical issue, and here's what it would
take to satisfy me that it is resolved". The second formulation
shortens easily in the minds of listeners to "satisfy me", and
when there is text presented, it becomes "add/change this as
below to remove my hold on your document".
Ack. I agree that this is a concern, and something that I forgot to put
on my list.
Of course, as Joel and Brian pointed out, identifying this problem is
not always as simple as looking at whether text came from the AD. Also,
*if* you assume the Discuss was appropriate, presumably the resolution,
whatever it is, has to satisfy some criteria so that the original
problem goes away. If an AD is not happy about a particular text
proposal, is it because the criteria was not met, or was it because he
or she insisted on particular text? Obviously the former is appropriate
and the latter is not. And how well were the criteria described? Many
debates about resolutions involve either unclear criteria or
disagreements about whether all criteria need to be fulfilled, more than
the actual words in the resolution.
The statement above is offensive, Jari. Blaming working groups
for exhaustion after a late surprise is insensitive
I'm sorry you found it offensive. I did not mean to be insensitive. If
it helps, this item was on a long list of reasons why WG involvement
isn't being handled as well as it should be. Not the biggest reason, or
very commonly occurring one. (But I think I've seen a few cases where
the author/WG was not interested in the particular way to resolve an
issue, as long as it was resolved. Can't speak about why they were in
that state.)
Many, if not most reasons on my list rest on the ADs and some on the
shepherds. I blame myself for not doing a better job in involving the
WGs and I plan to improve this for the documents that I sponsor.
Jari
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