-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Moore [mailto:moore(_at_)cs(_dot_)utk(_dot_)edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:17 PM
To: Sauer, Damon
Cc: moore(_at_)cs(_dot_)utk(_dot_)edu; Sauer, Damon; asrg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: [Asrg] Multiple Suggestions
My home ISP blocks port 25. As a result, I can't debug problems with
email from home.
--- Considering debugging a major issue in not allowing a closed port
25? I believe that this could be simply resolved with an internal only
server. It is not a insurmountable problem, just a technical one.
oh, they'd be happy to let me send to port 25 if I paid them $300/month.
mainly it's a bad precedent.
---------- Ok.. then we can agree that this is not a show stopper.
if ISPs charge for SMTP then they have even more incentive to harbor
spammers.
---- But easier to identify. Also, at this point you have destroyed
the reason why there is so much spam... because it truly costs next to
nothing.
no it just means I get spammed for Ivory Soap instead of Fireman's Pump.
it's still spam, and it's still obnoxious.
---------- By getting rid of John Q. Public spammers allows for the drastic
reduction in spam. Killing the big spamhauses at this point is then easier.
Herd and control. I am not talking about the utter cessation of spam. But, I
would be happy if I reduced all my spam to only one type of hand soap rather
that 3,000.
it's perfectly legitimate to send mail through other servers. mobile
users need to do this quite often.
--- Sure it is, if you are connected to another service through a
dialup, the sending email should be able to be relayed to the "home"
server for delivery.
it's also perfectly legitimate to originate mail from a dialup line,
without relaying through some third party's server.
----------- This one requires the most thought. I am not sure that my idea
of sending to the "home" server for relay is a good idea because how does
the home server authenticate the relayed email? However, if we can find a
way, the network traffic caused by mobile users is not even measurable
compared to the amount of traffic that is removed due to less spamming.
If I could reduce spam traffic by 50% I could get rid of some VERY expensive
servers, software, etc.
let's just say I'm glad you are not my ISP. it's abuse like this that
illustrate just how important it is to let any ISP sell DSL over the
LEC's phone lines.
--- Keith, my ideas are my own and in no way reflect the position of
my employer.
nor did I say that they did.
------------ I apologize if I misunderstood. :-)
Regards,
Damon
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