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"Hallam-Baker, Phillip" <pbaker(_at_)verisign(_dot_)com> writes:
From: wayne [mailto:wayne(_at_)midwestcs(_dot_)com]
SPEWS listed VeriSign labs because it was on a UUNET address.
Uh, the claim that spews listed one domain means that spews listed ALL
UUNET domains?
[...]
Could you give us some help in tracking down this particular spews
listing? What did it say? What IP addresses were involved? (The IP
addresses can be used to see if other BLs also reported spam from
them.)
[top quoting fixed and the amount of quoted material trimmed]
SPEWS had the whole UUNET sub listed along with us.
[...]
I am sorry but simple gainsaying does not constitute an argument here.
Yes it does! </Mr Vibrating> [*}
Ok, more seriously, you are right and that is exactly why I asked for
some help tracking down this particular spews listing. Asking people
to prove the negative isn't very productive. I am asking you to
provide at least some evidence, by sides just your assertions, that
spews did list everyone using UUNET.
If you refuse to believe any of SPEWS victims it is easy to maintain your
position that no blacklist ever did anything bad ever.
That wasn't my position and to be quit honest, I suspect that there
have been some blacklists that at some time blacklisted have
blacklisted just about everyone.
Tarring all blacklist operators by the worst actions of some is as bad
as tarring all ISPs as being spammers because of the way the worst
ones operate.
-wayne
[*]
Man: An argument isn't just contradiction.
Mr Vibrating: It can be.
Man: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements
intended to establish a proposition.
Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.
Man: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
Mr Vibrating: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary
position.
Man: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
Mr Vibrating: Yes it is!
Man: No it isn't!
Man: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the
automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.
Man: It is.
http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/tv-series/sketches/fc-29/argument-clinic.html
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