To me, this is the beauty of patents: patent holders could and should
give full disclosure in groups like this and do not have to fear
infringement and/or loss of any IP.
So, to both below, I, personally am more than happy to completely "open
the kimono" let everyone know how this works. Because in a very real
sense, all I need to do is distribute the patent filing. All the gory
details are there.
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spencer(_at_)mcsr-labs(_dot_)org]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 1:59 AM
To: asrg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: [Asrg] (Position): Successful anti-spam
techniques must avoid software patents
Dear Vern,
Given that we're roughing out a (WG-sized) IPR policy, my
suggestion would be that "if you're willing to disclose IPR
using the current draft template from the IETF IPR working
group, then participating in discussions is OK".
Just to push the envelope a little on what "disclose" might
look like...
I'm not saying we need to adopt the (proposed) IETF mechanism
in IRTF, only that the current draft of the disclosure
template might help a participant understand what "disclose"
looks like.
Spencer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vern Paxson" <vern(_at_)icir(_dot_)org>
To: <asrg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Asrg] (Position): Successful anti-spam
techniques must avoid software patents
Peter Kay writes:
Is this discussion of IPR policy within the scope of this list's
discussion?
I look at :
http://www.irtf.org/asrg/
And read the posting guidelines which say all
conversation must be
related to the work items at
http://www.irtf.org/asrg/asrg-work-items.txt
and there's nothing there about IPR. Perhaps IPR is a
bigger issue
to be taken at higher levels.
Given that the IRTF does not have a formulated IPR policy, and that
IPR issues are potentially of significant concern to this RG due to
the participation of a number of folks from the commercial world, I
don't have a problem with productive discussion of IPR
issues on the
mailng list in this context.
As one who has patent-pending on an anti-spam technology,
I've got a
lot to say but won't if its inappropriate for this list.
If you are not willing to disclose where this potential IPR
resides,
then Yes, I think it would be inappropriate to participate in
discussions that relate to it. If you're willing to disclose its
existence, then I think participating is okay.
Vern
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