This might not help but when I think of spam I don't focus on the sender
(since defining bulk is a killer) but on the results. I'll bet almost
all 'non-spam' emails involve an exchange between end-points - why else
send email in the first place. Bulk or spamming is when you send out
email and don't expect to get a response from the majority (define it as
under 90% or 100% or whatever).
FWIW,
Chuck Wegrzyn
Dave Aronson wrote:
Barry Shein <bzs(_at_)world(_dot_)std(_dot_)com> wrote:
> On June 4, 2003 at 15:53 peter(_at_)titankey(_dot_)com (Peter Kay) wrote:
> > Yes but we can't define bulk mailing as spamming. But we CAN
> > define that UNSOLICITED bulk email is spamming.
>
> Actually, I'm not that uncomfortable with defining any "bulk mailing"
> as spamming.
>
> I realize I won't get consensus on that here.
At least, not unless we can agree on what "bulk" means. By the
definition proposed so far (sending to > 1 recipient, by a largely
automated means (not counting the automation necessary to send email at
all, of course)), this very list is bulk. So is every other. So are
any alerts anybody signs up for. Where do YOU draw the line?
> But then again few of you are ISPs expected to just come up with the
> money for resources for every blitz by every fortune 1,000,000
> company who decides to unload on their (let's say for argument's
> sake) legitimate mailing list hourly.
If the ISP didn't put anything in the TOS about using too much bandwidth,
it's their own damn fault. You can be sure that something about it WILL
be in there come contract renewal time, or the ISP will insist that they
upgrade to a higher account type.
> Special fares at United Airlines? Delta? Wham! Here comes 10,000 msgs
> you frequent flyers!
>
> Campbell's has a new recipe they want to share? Open wide!
>
> NY Times, Wall St Journal, Motley Fool, Salon, etc want to send their
> daily headlines and advertising payload? K'POW!
These sorts of things almost certainly already have very high bandwidth
connections. Sure, not as much as they would if they abused the system
as you propose, but see above.
Also, unlike the normal hit-and-run spammer, these entities give half a
damn about not pissing off the recipients, and about their brand
reputation. If they get tons of unsubscribes every time their
emails-per-week exceeds some reasonable amount (as determined by the
subscribers individually), you can bet they'd back off.
> This exercise is kinda like watching legislators make law, the OTHER
> guy's use of tax money is a waste, but MY use of tax money is
> essential to civilization!
On that we can agree! Just remember that it works on both sides of the
table: "don't tax me, don't tax thee, tax that fellow behind the tree!"
> This is why, without per-message fees, this system is doomed. It's
> just a matter of time.
This system is indeed absolutely doomed, but I don't agree that fees are
the only way to fix it.
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