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From: asrg-admin(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org [mailto:asrg-admin(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org]
On Behalf Of Tom
Bartel
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:46 PM
To: 'Barry Shein'; asrg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: RE: [Asrg] Re: Request for MS CID XML samples...
As I understand it, the " testing='true' " parameter in the opening tag,
as defined in the spec, indicates that the data presented in the record
is to be assumed as an incomplete listing.
Tom Bartel
303.642.4104
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[mailto:asrg-admin(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On
Behalf Of Barry Shein
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:32 PM
To: asrg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: [Asrg] Re: Request for MS CID XML samples...
me...
It'd be interesting to see real-life examples for msn.net,
microsoft.com, and sendmail.com for study.
Ok, teach a man to fish: dig -t txt _ep.microsoft.com
The record I get back right now from microsoft.com is (reformatted
slightly by me for ease of reading):
<ep xmlns='http://ms.net/1' testing='true'><out><m>"
"<mx/>
<a>213.199.128.160</a>
<a>213.199.128.145</a>
<a>207.46.71.29</a>
<a>194.121.59.20</a>
<a>157.60.216.10</a>
<a>131.107.3.116</a>
<a>131.107.3.117</a>
<a>131.107.3.100</a>"
"</m></out></ep>"
However, looking through our logs I see that in the past 24 hours or
so we've received email from someone(_at_)microsoft(_dot_)com from the
following
hosts which do not appear in that list:
207.46.248.64 delivery.pens.microsoft.com
207.46.248.65 delivery.pens.microsoft.com
207.46.248.66 delivery.pens.microsoft.com
207.46.248.67 delivery.pens.microsoft.com
207.46.248.69 delivery.pens.microsoft.com
131.107.3.121 mail5.microsoft.com
131.107.3.124 mail2.microsoft.com
131.107.3.126 mail6.microsoft.com
and, perhaps an interesting case:
209.11.164.116 mh.microsoft.m0.net
interesting because m0.net is probably being paid to send e-mail
marketing on behalf of microsoft so the only way they'd be getting
through in this new regime would be if microsoft listed them as
authorized in their _ep record.
I suppose they (m0.net) could use the Sender: or similar alternative
but looking at an actual example I see that they (m0.net) do not. So
it'd have to be in microsoft.com's list and as far as I can tell it's
not.
So, anyone want to take a reasonable stab at these discrepancies?
By reasonable, I'm hoping for something more than "maybe the _ep
record was different when those msgs flew" because that doesn't seem
likely given the actual examples, unless you know this for a fact.
Is the microsoft.com record complete or not?
Or am I misunderstanding something?
[denny]
Not sure if this is what the deal is but I can say that about 2 months back
I was talking to a local Microsoft rep at a tech event and I asked him about
the email that comes from MS....
He claimed that as far as he knew they had fixed the emails to all come from
*Microsoft.com
Like delivery.pens. and other hosts under the ms domain.
But for example www.gotdotnet.com which is run by ms still is not fixed and
they say that (as of about a month back) they it's going to be fixed to map
right.
So it may be in part the effect of having like 10,000 email hosting deals to
"round up" and fix....
And yea m0.net sends stuff for a bunch of legit businesses but gets in the
spam lists also....
I'd try to contact the channel that sent the *.m0.net mail and tell them to
get it moved....
About 6 months back I had a *LOT* of ms stuff in my blacklist email boxes
all the time. I'd say that now it's just a few... I think they are fixing it
as best they can given the volume of programs they run.
And, if it's not complete, why not and, to reiterate my original
request, what would a complete record look like?
Thank you.
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