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RE: [Asrg] draft-irtf-asrg-bcp-blacklists-00

2004-05-05 09:31:49
On Wed, 5 May 2004 06:16:50 -0700, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:
How many credit agencies would list every customer of Verizon 
because one customer of Verizon defaulted on a loan?

The analogy is inapt.  As for loans, Verizon is not an enabler of
the damages caused by its customers'  loan defaults.   It IS an
enabler of their spamming.

OK, Anderson accounting enabled Enron, does that mean that it is
legitimate to sanction every customer of Anderson?

How many credit agencies would list half the population of spain?
Would a credit agency list Texas because of Enron?

This type of wholesale response is valid and often done even
by government agencies in order to bring pressure on a jurisdiction
to clean up its act.  For example, stringent visa requirements for
nationals of countries lax against terror--essentially a form of
whitelisting.

The fact that a government can do something that a blacklist cannot
does not support your argument. Blacklists are not governments, they
are not accountable to any party.

Governments are defined by their ability to hold a monopoly on the
legitimate use of force. Saying that governments have the right to
police the Internet is not inconsistent with saying that private
individuals do not.

Indeed your examples seem to support rather than oppose 
blacklisting.

Your attempts to rebutt them fail totally. 

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