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Re: [Asrg] subverting ISACS

2005-01-12 22:29:15
Is there anyone out there who has ever had to abandon an email
account because the amount of spam became unbearable?

I'm convinced the answer is "yes"; I've heard far too many reports of
that for me to believe they're all false.

Is there anyone out there who has used the same email addresses for,
let's say 10 years or so?

Yes.  Me, among others.

You have given this email address to everyone you have ever known.

Well, no.  I haven't had the address that far back.  (I don't know how
far back I've had it; I've had it longer than CIRA, the current .ca
registration authority, has existed, and their record for the domain
doesn't show the actual creation date for the domain.)  There are
people I've known but have lost contact with before I ever started
using email; there are more I lost contact with before I got my current
address (I've had at least two older addresses that are now discarded
for non-spam reasons).

There are even some people I've known who don't do email; there are
more I've never interacted with in email ways.

Your spam burden is so enormous that you think about getting a new
account every day but you don't because you know that you would
loose[sic] contact with a large number of people.

No.  My spam burden is on the order of a few percent.  (Spam that makes
it to my mailbox, that is.)

[various puffery deleted]

I am pleased that the criticisms of ISACS seems to have died down to
minutia over things like how mailing lists should react when they are
sent a bounce.  I assume that no one is coming up with a substantive
criticism because one cannot be found (umm, or because of a total
lack of interest).

At least in my case, it is because the responses you offer to my
criticisms do not in my opinion address the issues raised, and I have
no interest in pursuing the matter further, when it cannot but
degenerate into "this will work" "no it won't" "yes it will" "no it
won't" - especially since it's all totally moot as long as we're
discussing vapourware.

Implement it.  Try it out.  Gather _actual_ reactions to it and
_actual_ statistics on its performance.  Perhaps I'm wrong and it
really will work, in which case I _really_ want to know where my ideas
disagree with reality.  (Note that I do not disagree that it will work
in the sense that it will keep spam out of your mailbox when only a
small number of people use it, as you will doubtless realize if you've
actually understood my points.)

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