On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Douglas Otis <dotis(_at_)mail-abuse(_dot_)org>
wrote:
On Apr 3, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Al Iverson wrote:
> Wrong -- MAPS did not notify the network provider in many cases.
> This was never RSS policy back then, for example. Nor did MAPS go to
> great lengths to identify network providers for many RBL listings.
> Sorry, Doug, I was there before you and I personally observed it.
With respect to DUL, RSS, and OPS, you would be right.
And RBL, too. The day-to-day handlers of RBL listings at that time (of
which I was one) were not doing the kind of fancy "roll it up by the
AS and notify that person" notifications that you're ultimately
leading toward here. In many/all cases, first level responsible party
was the first or only notification. This would often be the hosted
entity, not the network provider.
There may have been *some* RBL listings where things worked this way,
but not all, and probably not even most.
BTW this is such a weird conversation. Since we have Trend Micro as
the succsesor entity to a company who repurposed a technical term
"black-hole" for a service mark applied to a very specific commercial
reputation mechanism.......
...maybe the RBL doesn't fit within the scope of this BCP whatsoever.
RBL practice doesn't represent common blacklist practice. It doesn't
even look like other BLs, on nearly every conceivable level.
It's a bit like selling root beer based on the premise that it's
old-timey because it used to be made on Grampa's farm. Even though,
nowadays, it comes from a giant, commercial factory.
Am I alone in standing outside, looking at this thing, and thinking,
"No longer a duck"? I'm not hearing it quack. Why does the discussion
keep coming back to how we need to make all the actual ducks look like
your thing, which might have been a duck eight years ago, but, even
thoug we seemingly do NOT have a small aquatic bird of the family
anatidae on our hands.
Regards,
Al Iverson
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