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Re: [Asrg] The state of the email system

2008-11-17 07:00:17
Huh DKIM is for what then? Not sure what it was created for then? Why do we 
bother to implement? 

Graphs would not change behavior, but would show either what is popular, and if 
program to change behavior are succesfull. 

I think anyhow we need some data rather than hunches. 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Atkins" <steve(_at_)blighty(_dot_)com> 
To: "Anti-Spam Research Group - IRTF" <asrg(_at_)irtf(_dot_)org> 
Sent: Monday, 17 November, 2008 4:04:01 PM (GMT+1200) Auto-Detected 
Subject: Re: [Asrg] The state of the email system 


On Nov 16, 2008, at 7:45 PM, Franck Martin wrote: 

I found 
http://utility.nokia.net/~lars/meter/dkim.html 

Which is interesting, but does not give an idea based on traffic. If 
yahoo, hotmail and gmail implements dkim, well it could be more 
traffic using dkim than may be a few ISPs... 

So I think it is important to base these stats on traffic rahter 
than on how many sites have it configured. 

For the purpose of this workgroup I think we are looking at 
technologies that reduce spam. 

DKIM is not intended to reduce spam. 

So I guess a graph in time showing how much mail traffic is dkim/dk/ 
spf(?)/senderid(?) would be interesting. I think making the plot 
available would be interesting. I saw with the stop of the recent 
botnet, security companies run graph on the number of spams within 
the mail system., it would be nice to see the above graph per non- 
spam traffic and spam traffic. 

For your case you would have to monitor only inbound mail traffic, 
as with outbound, it would only tell us what you have implemented on 
your MTA. 

Not sure I'm fully clear here... 

If several big mailing site do that, then it can be aggregated to 
get an idea of what's happening. 

It would certainly be interesting, but I'm not convinced it 
would be particularly useful - as in changing anyones 
behaviour. 

Cheers, 
Steve 

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