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Re: [Asrg] What are the IPs that sends mail for a domain?

2009-07-01 17:43:52

On Jul 1, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote:

John Leslie wrote:
The CSV paradigm is that the operator of a MTA should exercise some responsibility for what is sends. The HELO string identifies the MTA (though not necessarily one string exclusively by one MTA), and the DNS management for that domain-name string states whether that domain exercises responsibility (and by automatic return of A)ddress RRs on SRV queries, what IP address(es) that MTA uses).

The link from the MTA to its operator is still missing.

Disagree. Based on our results, when only a few domains publish an IP addresses of an Outbound MTA, it is rather safe to assume the domains represented by verified EHLO information resolve who is administrating the MTA. When there are many domains, this appears to represent either MTAs operating behind a NAT, or compromised systems; sometimes both. It appears to be rare for legitimate Outbound MTAs to change domain affiliations. From a reputation standpoint, verified EHLO information offers stable identifiers in which to effectively and efficiently manage email abuse. This method should scale since it establishes management hierarchy.

To this end, I'd prefer the use of a domain name. One reason is that large ESP have many MTAs that can be used interchangeably. In addition, the person responsible for an MTA is not always identifiable (in Italy, the mandate to state who are the sysadmins of an MTA is being procrastinated every few months, since November 2008.) By contrast, domain registrants often have whois records pointing to them.

While larger ISPs are likely to have a few hundred outbound MTAs, they represent a very small percentage of overall legitimate Outbound MTAs. Larger ISPs likely represent less than a few hundred thousand Outbound MTAs, over several million other legitimate MTAs. A reputation system might replace the existence of CSV records, however initial acceptance and tracking can be improved by the presences of CSV records. Being able to identify legitimate Outbound MTAs reduces the vetting of hundreds of millions of domains associated with Mail From or PRAs, where each domain likely covers massive address lists. Legitimate Outbound MTA domains will resolve to a small set of addresses each.

Efforts to combine the addresses used by a domain is counter productive when it comes to resolving problems, or when dealing with initial SMTP connections. When it comes to SMTP, direct relationships involve less overhead which improves efficacy and efficiency to the point of perhaps permitting use of IPv6.

-Doug


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