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Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Last Call: 'DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM)Signatures' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dkim-base)

2006-11-20 14:53:35


Robert Elz wrote:
However, if this ...
is an example of the quality of argument that is swaying the consensus of
the group, then the IESG (and IETF as a whole) should be taking a very very
close look at what is being produced, and most probably, simply abandoning

What this sub-thread is mostly an example of is why it is generally unproductive for a Last Call to try to review the details of a working group's decision process.

For any interesting working group effort there are many interesting decisions. ("Interesting" is intended as a compressed form of saying "complex, difficult, controversial and requiring protracted consideration.")

IMO, interesting decisions are where working groups do their real work. They are what distinguishes a working group effort from a brief discussion on the open IETF list. That makes it problematic to try to later re-create the wg discussion on the ietf list.

Choice of DNS records definitely falls in the category of interesting, and qualified for it long before DKIM.

Let me suggest that what ought to be relevant to the Last Call is whether the working group considered the question carefully?

It did.

It might further be relevant to ask whether that decision was made in consultation with -- or reviewed by -- content specialists?

It was.

Any one effort to summarize that protracted consideration is primarily going to serve exactly the unintended purpose that your response reflects, namely to invite more debate about process than content.

The very last thing that we ought to try is to place the DKIM effort into the middle of a protracted, and continuing, debate about DNS enhancement.

There are at least two other venues already established for that in the IETF.


  Dave Crocker
  Brandenburg InternetWorking

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