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Re: [ietf-dkim] Conflicts between -ssp-requirements and -ssp (was: Step 9)

2007-09-30 13:18:46
It sounds like you are arguing that "all" should be "strict" and "strict" should be eliminated; as a corollary, no Third Party Signatures should be accepted under any circumstances. That's a valid argument, but it has nothing to do with whether the -ssp draft is accurate.

I note however that -ssp-requirements doesn't seem to cover the Third Party Signature case at all. Section 2 defines "Third Party Signature" but then never uses the term. In fact, although the one line description of Problem Scenario 1 reads "Is All Mail Signed with DKIM?", and section 4.1 seems to cover the case of a Third Party Signature (at least, it doesn't mandate a First Party Signature), sections 2 and 5.3 point 3 define "DKIM Signing Complete" as requiring a First Party Signature. In short, it appears that -req doesn't permit third party signatures under any circumstances. I'm not sure this was the intent of the working group.

Reading the documents in this light, it's pretty clear that -ssp and -req are in conflict. The WG needs to decide on which way it wants to go.

eric




--On September 30, 2007 12:14:23 PM -0700 Michael Thomas <mike(_at_)mtcc(_dot_)com> wrote:
The main problem I'm having is tying "all" to third party
signatures whatsoever. The requirements make no mention of "all"
being tied to them, and I -- again -- don't see what the value is
for the _originator_ to make any statement about them. "All" is a
function of the originator's practices alone. Whether a useful (to
the receiver) third party signature is tacked on in transit is
completely out of its hands.

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