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Re: [ietf-dkim] New Issue: Overview service-type and delegation

2008-03-26 01:37:20
Dave Crocker wrote:


Jim Fenton wrote:
Dave Crocker wrote:
At best, the benefit of having s= defined now depends on whether 
people are setting s=email now.  Are they?  Should they?  How will 
they know?

Are they:  I haven't seen a key with s=email yet, although I'll have 
to admit that I don't look at a lot of selectors.

Should they:  They should as soon as they start using DKIM for 
services other than email, especially if they want to delegate keys 
to parties/agents not authorized to send email on their behalf.  But 
until someone defines use for DKIM in a service other than email, 
s=email is a tautology, so I don't think it's important to state.

We seem to have a disconnect.  You said that s= needed to be in the 
protocol now.  If it isn't used now, then what is the benefit of 
having it in the protocol now?

(I'm not arguing for a change in the specification, but am trying to 
argue for having the Overview include no more discussion than a basic 
regurgitation of the specification's statement of what the option is 
for. On the other hand, making no mention of the option encourages 
confusion, since it is part of the current specification and failing 
to refer to it leads to obvious "what is this for?" questions.)

The benefit is in order to cause verifiers to check for s= if it is 
present.  This enable the potantial that DKIM could be used for other 
services.



My point is that the Overview document seeks to describe s= in the 
most limited way it can, while at least saying something meaningful.

Deleting a discussion of s= seems inappropriate, as does having the 
text say more, since it's a bit of an oddity and I doubt we (the 
community) understand it very well.

I'm puzzled that you want to include text on a mechanism that we (the 
community) don't understand well, because we're likely to get it 
wrong in that case.

Because it is part of the specification.  Having the Overview fail to 
refer to it does not remove it from the specification.

So the Overview must mention every mechanism in the specification?  It 
doesn't.

-Jim

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