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Re: [ietf-dkim] marketing dkim

2010-08-19 14:54:56
Dan,

In my view, just as the responses so far as shown, you are going to 
get a mix bag of opinions.  What is particularly interesting is the 
how the definition of "DKIM" seems to keep changing.

In any case, if it was me, what I would do is approach this from what 
has been deployed using various non-standard approaches, including 
proprietary which I lump together as DKIM-SSA (Special Signing 
Arrangements), with what are proposed standards.  I would cite any 
stats, provide some theory with empirical observations.  In short - 
INFORM.

    DKIM        - RFC 4971 raw DKIM signing protocol

My personal definition (don't use it. <g>)

    A free for all, message "DNA" stamping technology with an
    obscure "responsibility" clause allowing any MTA to
    absolve all previous single or collective responsibility.

The main point here would be that it isn't quite useful with "helper 
technology" and you can site how its being used now and what are the 
standard proposals:

Non-Standard Augmented technology:

    DKIM+SSA    - DKIM + Special Signing Arrangements (i.e. YAHOO)
    DKIM+REP    - DKIM + Reputation Scoring (SpamAssassin), 
Certification methods

Proposed standard (IETF DKIM WG documents) Augmented technology:

    DKIM+ADSP   - DKIM + Author Domain Signing Policy/Practices
    DKIM+MLM    - DKIM + Mailing List Management Guidelines

There might be some I-D proposals or non WG RFCs out there that are 
related to DKIM, so I would look for those as well.

I personally would touch base with two employment aspects:

    DKIM-SENDER-POLICY (or AUTHOR POLICY)
    DKIM-RECEIVER-POLICY (or LOCAL POLICY)

The two seem to be one basis for the conflicts here. But I would not 
discuss it from the conflicts POV, but how the two are being 
considered by different implementations.

The DKIM-SENDER-POLICY is about what the AUTHOR DOMAIN is trying to 
get others to do about his mail, including filtering the unexpected.

The DKIM-RECEIVER-POLICY is about what how the receiver is going to 
handle the verification and final disposition of DKIM signed mail. 
This has less regard for DKIM-SENDER-POLICY considerations (the conflict).

Anyway, good luck. :)

-- 
Hector Santos, CTO
http://www.santronics.com
http://santronics.blogspot.com


Daniel Black wrote:
I've got a presentation slot for DKIM at APNIC next week to a bunch of ISPs.

My current plan for a talk is:
* DKIM is a really well developed standard for signing email
* Combined with ADSP=discardable it can filter email at ISP gateways without 
too much fear of unduely lost email
* BUT otherwise its useless in its current state.

As a consultant this isn't going to get me lots of work but as an engineer 
sticking to ethics it more important.

My rational is what cost / benefit can I give to a domain that wants to sign:

Costs:
* Product deployment and DKIM training and documentation for staff
* Trying to work out why some outbound streams of email get lost (when there 
is no IETF guidance for the receiver)
* Fixing/changing mailstreams by destination (draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-02 
4.1)

Benefits:
* A recipient may through good design manage to pass good signatures and drop 
bad signatues while allowing mailing list mail through.

Given likelyhood of benefits are signficantly lower that costs I'm not seeing 
a benefit for a signer.

Cost/benefit to verifier:
Costs:
* software deployment training and documentation
* increases concurrancy of email processing waiting for DKIM keys OR post 
processing where rejection could result in backscatter.
* implement some filtering scheme based on RFC5863

Benefits:
* rejecting ADSP=discardable messages with missing or broken signatures
* Adding AR headers (that a user or their MUA may never work out how to use 
effectively)

Again, the likelyhood of benefits are signficantly is lower than costs.

So DKIM is at a state where there is no offering of filtering advice beyond 
the theoretical discussion in RFC5863. The current mailing list approach:

   MLM behaviors are well-established and standards compliant.  Thus,
   the best approach is to provide these best practices to all parties
   involved, imposing the minimum requirements possible to MLMs
   themselves.

is rather defeatist and limits the encouragement for DKIM-Friendly lists.

So for DKIM, filtering is painful as it requires end user specific knowledge 
of what lists they subscribed to. This is hard enough at small end user 
organisation let alone an ISP. The end user is left with an AR header field, 
invisibly hidden by the MUA, to try to filtering out forged mail.

For reputation service providers the assumption that mail serivce providers 
are going to deploy DKIM for the benefit of reputation service providers 
seems 
a little hopeful considering their costs. Don't misunderstand me, domain 
reputation has a role in spam reduction and DKIM contributes to this, there 
just needs to be more benefit to the sender/receiver without it.

At the end of the day the future I currently see for DKIM is the same as SPF. 
Some will deploy it but at the end of the day there will be no-one filtering 
on its results because of its deficiencies (MLM). The progress of deployment 
will stagnate in the same way as spf because there is no filtering:
(compare http://web.archive.org/web/20080130150257/http://spf-all.com/ and 
http://spf-all.com)

The solutions (and acknowledged limitations) that may enable an intertial 
mass 
of dkim are in many of the following:
* DKIM-Friendly lists (realising change can be slow based no number and 
incompatible behaviour is driven by MUA)
* MLM that add a dkim signature in a predicatable way (draft-ietf-dkim-
mailinglists-02 4.7) - realizing change is slow for the number of MLM
* MUA that describe verification clearly realising design requires effort
* TPA-Labels realising intergration beween users and DNS needs to occur in 
the 
sender ADMD
* ADSP=discardable for non-MLM participating domains
* ADSP=all for those that really do sign all mail
* Third party signature having meaning on MLM domains though this needs to be 
whitelisting approach is needed on the verifier/receiver ADMD to prevent a 
phishing/spam loophole.
* LDSP for third party signatures

Please tell me where I'm wrong. I don't see nice thing to say to these 
regional ISPs except that DKIM is useless until a clearer policy framework 
for 
filtering is available to everyone.
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