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Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM Japan has been set up

2010-11-24 09:48:57


--On 24 November 2010 09:53:41 -0500 Wietse Venema 
<wietse(_at_)porcupine(_dot_)org> 
wrote:

Ian Eiloart:
Unless the intermediary co-operates by re-signing, mailing lists can
break  DKIM signatures. Since mailing lists generally use their own
rfc5321 return  paths, SPF failures should not result. Of course, a
broken DKIM signature  is equivalent to none at all. You should not
reject or discard mail on this  basis, but you do lose the ability to
assign signer domain based reputation  to the message.

Unless the intermediary co-operates with SRS, or similar, *forwarding*
can  result in SPF failure. Since forwarders generally don't change the
message  content, DKIM signatures should remain intact.

Please do not confuse mailing lists with email forwarding. The two
are different things. It is not helpful to take an argument from
one context and use that to "prove" a point in the other context.

I'm not confusing the two. DKIM and SPF both permit the use of domain based 
reputation databases. Unfortunately, both have problems with various paths 
that emails may take. Fortunately, the problematic paths are different - 
mailing lists are problematic for one, and forwarding is problematic for 
the other.

My point that DKIM and SPF can complement one another therefore relies on 
an understanding that mailing lists are not forwarders.

      Wietse
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